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>If you’re lucky, the LED will have a CRI of 90 or higher EU has banned incandescent lights years ago and the situation for LED buyers is much different here.

by phoyd 3y ago

>If you’re lucky, the LED will have a CRI of 90 or higher EU has banned incandescent lights years ago and the situation for LED buyers is much different here. My local drug store chain (Rossmann in Germany) sells 1000lm E27 bulbs under their own Rubin brand with CRI>97 for 4.99€. No flickering and available as 2700K or 4000K. My Opple Light Master 3 even reads CRI 100. So for me right now, it's just going to the drug store and buying a bulb, like before the ban.

Agentlien 3y ago
I read a lot of the other comments here before yours and they all seemed to describe a reality very different from my own experience. Then I saw yours and it suddenly makes sense. I am also in the Europe, most other commenters seem to be from the US. Here I find it is very easy to find good LED bulbs with the strength and color profile of my choice and I have used LED in all rooms of my house for the last 10+ years without any failing so far.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  > I am also in the Europe, most other commenters seem to be from the US. You're falling for the "Europe is better than the US, of course" mindset. What you are actually seeing are partisans spinning a narrative to fit their ideology, not an accurate description of reality. We have really high CRI bulbs here, too, and they're inexpensive. I can go down to the home store and buy them by the dozen. I'll bet you money that bulbs in the US and bulbs in Europe are mostly manufactured in the same place...
  - zippergz 3y ago
    Please link me to a 95+ CRI bulb available at Home Depot or Lowe's.
    - wil421 3y ago
      Greater than 95 or including 95? Most of the Philips brand dimmable LEDs have a CRI of 95. The eco smart is crap at 80 and that’s to be excepted from the cheap house brand. The in ceiling lights I bought to replace a bottom dollar Amazon light was are 94 and I’m pretty sure I bought the cheapest I could that would change temp to match my existing ones. Your friend has shared a link to a Home Depot product they think you would be interested in seeing. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Soft-White-A19-LED-60W-Equivalent-Dimmable-Smart-Wi-Fi-Wiz-Connected-Wireless-Light-Bulb-555474/310289020 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Soft-White-A19-LED-60W-E... Looks like GE’s Sunshine brand has a CRI of 97 and is $8.99 on Amazon. GE Sun Filled LED Light Bulb, 60 Watt Eqv, Soft White, A21 Standard Bulb, Medium Base https://a.co/d/fLkL8wr https://a.co/d/fLkL8wr
      - zippergz 3y ago
        Legit helpful reply. Thank you.
      - mixmastamyk 3y ago
        Wifi bulb with an App? Now I have to worry about light bulb security and it selling me out?
        wil421 3y ago
        No one is forcing you to use it. I have WiFi switches and bulbs. I prefer switches over smart bulbs but I like automating both. If your paranoid out them on a VLAN that doesn’t have access to your network or don’t connect them at all.
    - KennyBlanken 3y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=site%253Ahomedepot.com+CRI https://www.google.com/search?q=site%253Ahomedepot.com+CRI Cree, GE's "HD" line, Phillips' high CRI line, and I believe "Feit", the HD brand, also has high CRI bulbs. You can only get Cree bulbs from HD via shipping; they don't stock them in store, at least in my area. Phillips and GE HD bulbs are available in a lot of local hardware stores and even pharmacies.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        I don't see any 95+ CRI 100 Watt replacement bulbs on their site?
    - zerocrates 3y ago
      Needing to replace a 100W incandescent recently, I bought this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/EcoSmart-100-Watt-Equivalent-A19-Dimmable-CEC-Frosted-Glass-Filament-LED-Light-Bulb-Soft-White-2-Pack-11FFA19100WT201/318284729 https://www.homedepot.com/p/EcoSmart-100-Watt-Equivalent-A19... Home Depot's "Ecosmart" store brand, claims 95 CRI, and has admirable dimming performance even on the cheapo not-designed-for-LED dimmer I have on the fixture. And it has a more even and omnidirectional pattern of illumination than typical LED bulbs. Of course, time will be the only real judge.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
  I'm in the US and every single LED bulb I've ever bought - some ten years old - still work fine. I also don't buy the shitty cheap bulbs. I buy mostly Cree's high CRI dimmable bulbs, Phillips high CRI dimmable, or GE high-CRI bulbs if I can't find the Crees (Home Depot stopped carrying them in-store.) The problem is that both the author and a ton of people in this discussion buy shitty, cheap, no-name bulbs and then they're shocked when they flicker, don't dim well, and fail often. This whole discussion is a bunch of angry old men yelling at clouds because the guvmint won't allow them to waste 4x as much electricity to light their home. Even high-CRI bulbs aren't a "perfect" replacement for an incandescent, but the energy savings, especially if you're in an area where you use air conditioning and thus the heat of an incandescent bulb equals more energy usage for cooling, is worth the small sacrifice.
  - kldavis4 3y ago
    actual Amazon customer reviews of Cree's TBR30-14050FLFH25-12DE26-1-E1-MP (25,000 hour rated life, 90+ CRI): - Fails after 12 months - Nice and bright while they last - 6 months in, 2 already burned out. - I've already had two die in less than 6 months
- fy20 3y ago
  I'm not sure if this is the norm in Europe, the only chain store I know that sells high CRI (>90) bulbs is IKEA. If I go to my local home store or supermarket, they are all junk Chinese bulbs that I doubt are really even 80 CRI. CRI isn't even something you can filter by on their online catalogues. At least the new EU energy labeling let's you see what the specs are.
  - Tade0 3y ago
    Cheap bulbs do a lot of "CRI hacking": https://www.waveformlighting.com/tech/what-is-cri-r9-and-why-is-it-important https://www.waveformlighting.com/tech/what-is-cri-r9-and-why... It's easy to make a bulb that scores higher than 80 - still, they usually have poor R9 (red reference light source) scores, which is noticeable.
- myko 3y ago
  fwiw i am also in the US and never had an issue finding the right LED, which are far superior to the older bulbs in every way from my perspective
rvba 3y ago
As much as I like EU, the new bulbs are flickery shit. I bought a stockpile of 150W incandescent bulbs marked as 'shock resistant' (they are definitely not) and they give decent light. The 100W LEDs give more like 50W and flicker too..
- jon889 3y ago
  When the transition started the first LED bulbs were awful. They have come a long way since then.
- garaetjjte 3y ago
  >'shock resistant' (they are definitely not) It's not allowed to sell incandescent for home use in EU, so they are usually marked as some "industrial shock-resistant" bullshit.

by phoyd 3y ago

Agentlien 3y ago

I read a lot of the other comments here before yours and they all seemed to describe a reality very different from my own experience. Then I saw yours and it suddenly makes sense. I am also in the Europe, most other commenters seem to be from the US. Here I find it is very easy to find good LED bulbs with the strength and color profile of my choice and I have used LED in all rooms of my house for the last 10+ years without any failing so far.

rootusrootus 3y ago
> I am also in the Europe, most other commenters seem to be from the US. You're falling for the "Europe is better than the US, of course" mindset. What you are actually seeing are partisans spinning a narrative to fit their ideology, not an accurate description of reality. We have really high CRI bulbs here, too, and they're inexpensive. I can go down to the home store and buy them by the dozen. I'll bet you money that bulbs in the US and bulbs in Europe are mostly manufactured in the same place...
- zippergz 3y ago
  Please link me to a 95+ CRI bulb available at Home Depot or Lowe's.
  - wil421 3y ago
    Greater than 95 or including 95? Most of the Philips brand dimmable LEDs have a CRI of 95. The eco smart is crap at 80 and that’s to be excepted from the cheap house brand. The in ceiling lights I bought to replace a bottom dollar Amazon light was are 94 and I’m pretty sure I bought the cheapest I could that would change temp to match my existing ones. Your friend has shared a link to a Home Depot product they think you would be interested in seeing. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Soft-White-A19-LED-60W-Equivalent-Dimmable-Smart-Wi-Fi-Wiz-Connected-Wireless-Light-Bulb-555474/310289020 https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Soft-White-A19-LED-60W-E... Looks like GE’s Sunshine brand has a CRI of 97 and is $8.99 on Amazon. GE Sun Filled LED Light Bulb, 60 Watt Eqv, Soft White, A21 Standard Bulb, Medium Base https://a.co/d/fLkL8wr https://a.co/d/fLkL8wr
    - zippergz 3y ago
      Legit helpful reply. Thank you.
    - mixmastamyk 3y ago
      Wifi bulb with an App? Now I have to worry about light bulb security and it selling me out?
      - wil421 3y ago
        No one is forcing you to use it. I have WiFi switches and bulbs. I prefer switches over smart bulbs but I like automating both. If your paranoid out them on a VLAN that doesn’t have access to your network or don’t connect them at all.
  - KennyBlanken 3y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=site%253Ahomedepot.com+CRI https://www.google.com/search?q=site%253Ahomedepot.com+CRI Cree, GE's "HD" line, Phillips' high CRI line, and I believe "Feit", the HD brand, also has high CRI bulbs. You can only get Cree bulbs from HD via shipping; they don't stock them in store, at least in my area. Phillips and GE HD bulbs are available in a lot of local hardware stores and even pharmacies.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      I don't see any 95+ CRI 100 Watt replacement bulbs on their site?
  - zerocrates 3y ago
    Needing to replace a 100W incandescent recently, I bought this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/EcoSmart-100-Watt-Equivalent-A19-Dimmable-CEC-Frosted-Glass-Filament-LED-Light-Bulb-Soft-White-2-Pack-11FFA19100WT201/318284729 https://www.homedepot.com/p/EcoSmart-100-Watt-Equivalent-A19... Home Depot's "Ecosmart" store brand, claims 95 CRI, and has admirable dimming performance even on the cheapo not-designed-for-LED dimmer I have on the fixture. And it has a more even and omnidirectional pattern of illumination than typical LED bulbs. Of course, time will be the only real judge.
KennyBlanken 3y ago
I'm in the US and every single LED bulb I've ever bought - some ten years old - still work fine. I also don't buy the shitty cheap bulbs. I buy mostly Cree's high CRI dimmable bulbs, Phillips high CRI dimmable, or GE high-CRI bulbs if I can't find the Crees (Home Depot stopped carrying them in-store.) The problem is that both the author and a ton of people in this discussion buy shitty, cheap, no-name bulbs and then they're shocked when they flicker, don't dim well, and fail often. This whole discussion is a bunch of angry old men yelling at clouds because the guvmint won't allow them to waste 4x as much electricity to light their home. Even high-CRI bulbs aren't a "perfect" replacement for an incandescent, but the energy savings, especially if you're in an area where you use air conditioning and thus the heat of an incandescent bulb equals more energy usage for cooling, is worth the small sacrifice.
- kldavis4 3y ago
  actual Amazon customer reviews of Cree's TBR30-14050FLFH25-12DE26-1-E1-MP (25,000 hour rated life, 90+ CRI): - Fails after 12 months - Nice and bright while they last - 6 months in, 2 already burned out. - I've already had two die in less than 6 months
fy20 3y ago
I'm not sure if this is the norm in Europe, the only chain store I know that sells high CRI (>90) bulbs is IKEA. If I go to my local home store or supermarket, they are all junk Chinese bulbs that I doubt are really even 80 CRI. CRI isn't even something you can filter by on their online catalogues. At least the new EU energy labeling let's you see what the specs are.
- Tade0 3y ago
  Cheap bulbs do a lot of "CRI hacking": https://www.waveformlighting.com/tech/what-is-cri-r9-and-why-is-it-important https://www.waveformlighting.com/tech/what-is-cri-r9-and-why... It's easy to make a bulb that scores higher than 80 - still, they usually have poor R9 (red reference light source) scores, which is noticeable.
myko 3y ago
fwiw i am also in the US and never had an issue finding the right LED, which are far superior to the older bulbs in every way from my perspective

rvba 3y ago

As much as I like EU, the new bulbs are flickery shit. I bought a stockpile of 150W incandescent bulbs marked as 'shock resistant' (they are definitely not) and they give decent light. The 100W LEDs give more like 50W and flicker too..

jon889 3y ago
When the transition started the first LED bulbs were awful. They have come a long way since then.
garaetjjte 3y ago
>'shock resistant' (they are definitely not) It's not allowed to sell incandescent for home use in EU, so they are usually marked as some "industrial shock-resistant" bullshit.