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Coming from a background of having to deal with the highest level of PCI-DSS scrutiny, this makes total sense. It would have been soooooo much easier to just p

Coming from a background of having to deal with the highest level of PCI-DSS scrutiny, this makes total sense. It would have been soooooo much easier to just point the auditors to the managed hosting service and say, "ask them, they're the experts." Leaving myself and the other devs to just worry about software security.

lnguyen 15y ago
What happens if/when an issue comes up that the managed service can't/won't resolve? If you can move to another provider that will, you'll have some leverage. But there's always headaches associated with any move/migration and a possibility of lock-in to the provider's platform.
- justinjlynn 15y ago
  Yes, I certainly agree. One of the major problems with taking an application implemented on a PaaS solution to production scale is that you essentially join at the hip the continued success of your core product to the eventual fate of an outside vendor's platform. What's worse is that by the time you realise you've grown too big for the PaaS you may have to expend a huge amount of engineering effort and customer good will to move off, if you even can. Indeed, PaaS providers will try to make it /easy/ for you to make engineering decisions which lock you into their platforms -- and they will present those choices as helpful at the time, which makes them quite insidious partners.
  - carimura 15y ago
    This is a very valid concern. We are in the early stages of this transformation and naturally winners and losers will emerge as the market becomes more mature and the big guys begin to purchase and consolidate PaaS. Rewind N years and you can replace PaaS with some other technology that eventually matured and is now considered ubiquitous.
  - descentintomael 15y ago
    Good point. Two companies I know of (Expensify.com and Trap.it) get around this to a certain degree by hosting on multiple vendors. With that they are better able to account for sudden changes to the market if one goes down or drastically raises their prices.
michellegreer1 15y ago
Above just showing a certification, hosting providers never give access to their data centers.

lnguyen 15y ago

What happens if/when an issue comes up that the managed service can't/won't resolve? If you can move to another provider that will, you'll have some leverage. But there's always headaches associated with any move/migration and a possibility of lock-in to the provider's platform.

justinjlynn 15y ago
Yes, I certainly agree. One of the major problems with taking an application implemented on a PaaS solution to production scale is that you essentially join at the hip the continued success of your core product to the eventual fate of an outside vendor's platform. What's worse is that by the time you realise you've grown too big for the PaaS you may have to expend a huge amount of engineering effort and customer good will to move off, if you even can. Indeed, PaaS providers will try to make it /easy/ for you to make engineering decisions which lock you into their platforms -- and they will present those choices as helpful at the time, which makes them quite insidious partners.
- carimura 15y ago
  This is a very valid concern. We are in the early stages of this transformation and naturally winners and losers will emerge as the market becomes more mature and the big guys begin to purchase and consolidate PaaS. Rewind N years and you can replace PaaS with some other technology that eventually matured and is now considered ubiquitous.
- descentintomael 15y ago
  Good point. Two companies I know of (Expensify.com and Trap.it) get around this to a certain degree by hosting on multiple vendors. With that they are better able to account for sudden changes to the market if one goes down or drastically raises their prices.

michellegreer1 15y ago

Above just showing a certification, hosting providers never give access to their data centers.