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Does anybody know why they show scrollbars at the top and left of the scrolling area, unlike any other UI ?

Rochus 3y ago
In Smalltalk-80 they're on the left side, see e.g. https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk As is known, Jobs was inspired by the Smalltalk GUI.
- kps 3y ago
  I recall reading that the reason is that the mouse pointer is more likely to already be near the left of the window, because more of the text is on the left, especially in a programming language.
cowsandmilk 3y ago
GnuStep uses WindowMaker, which shows scroll bars on bottom and left because that’s where they were on nextstep.
- bogwog 3y ago
  It actually doesn’t use WindowMaker. GNUstep is a reimplementation of core Apple frameworks, and can run in any DE (including Windows) WindowMaker is its own thing that just so happens to be trying to recreate software from the same ecosystem as GNUstep, but they don’t depend on each other. Combining them tho does give you that genuine experience
- badsectoracula 3y ago
  Note that Window Maker is a completely separate project with its own GUI toolkits (WINGs - it literally means "WINGs Is Not GNUstep" :-P).
mpweiher 3y ago
That's where they were on NeXTStep: http://toastytech.com/guis/ns332.html http://toastytech.com/guis/ns332.html And it's actually a pretty good place. Just like the whole "a menu is just a window with a list of buttons" idea was great.
- guessbest 3y ago
  If we lose that website, we will lose so much computer history and knowledge.
- enjoy-your-stay 3y ago
  .. serveral 'ours layter ... Thanks for that rabbit hole of nostalgia, just remembered how wild Mac OSX 10.1 in its first release was. It was a real game changer, and looked great (albeit a bit slow on my poor G4 Cube).
badsectoracula 3y ago
As others mentioned, this is due to the NextStep theme which is the default. However GNUstep supports other themes and can have the scrollbars at the right position too.

In Smalltalk-80 they're on the left side, see e.g. https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk https://github.com/rochus-keller/Smalltalk As is known, Jobs was inspired by the Smalltalk GUI.

kps 3y ago
I recall reading that the reason is that the mouse pointer is more likely to already be near the left of the window, because more of the text is on the left, especially in a programming language.

cowsandmilk 3y ago

GnuStep uses WindowMaker, which shows scroll bars on bottom and left because that’s where they were on nextstep.

bogwog 3y ago
It actually doesn’t use WindowMaker. GNUstep is a reimplementation of core Apple frameworks, and can run in any DE (including Windows) WindowMaker is its own thing that just so happens to be trying to recreate software from the same ecosystem as GNUstep, but they don’t depend on each other. Combining them tho does give you that genuine experience
badsectoracula 3y ago
Note that Window Maker is a completely separate project with its own GUI toolkits (WINGs - it literally means "WINGs Is Not GNUstep" :-P).

mpweiher 3y ago

That's where they were on NeXTStep: http://toastytech.com/guis/ns332.html http://toastytech.com/guis/ns332.html And it's actually a pretty good place. Just like the whole "a menu is just a window with a list of buttons" idea was great.

guessbest 3y ago
If we lose that website, we will lose so much computer history and knowledge.
enjoy-your-stay 3y ago
.. serveral 'ours layter ... Thanks for that rabbit hole of nostalgia, just remembered how wild Mac OSX 10.1 in its first release was. It was a real game changer, and looked great (albeit a bit slow on my poor G4 Cube).

badsectoracula 3y ago

As others mentioned, this is due to the NextStep theme which is the default. However GNUstep supports other themes and can have the scrollbars at the right position too.