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I own both a VW/Audi EV (e-tron) and a Tesla. The dealer support for the Audi is extremely pitiful, the software in the car in the app is buggy and unreliable,

I own both a VW/Audi EV (e-tron) and a Tesla. The dealer support for the Audi is extremely pitiful, the software in the car in the app is buggy and unreliable, and that is to say nothing of how bad the associated app is. The annual cost for the advanced features is absurd. The long range charging network is a disaster. I could go on. I am by no means a Tesla fanboy, and Tesla has its own faults, specifically around build quality on the Model 3 (though the S/X are quite nice.) But it's a better EV in every way.

71a54xd 4y ago
Yes! Exactly this! I also know an owner of an E-tron SUV who had abysmal experiences with the dealer and well, the drivetrain / engineering of the e-tron itself. I don't really like Elon, and I think Tesla interior quality is sub-par even to my VW but if I had to buy an EV it would be a Tesla. Full stop. I don't understand who's downvoting this? I'm objectively NOT a fan of Tesla, admit they have some faults but because I'm buying based on hard tech that's clearly better (some would argue with better environmental outcomes) they're not okay with my opinion?
- ulfw 4y ago
  Because there's now a hundred alternatives. It's not just an 'etron'. From Kia EV6 to Hyuandai ioniq 5 and 6 to BMW iX, BMW i4, i7, Mercedes EQA, EQB, EQC, EQE, EQS to Genesis GV60 to Kona, Nissan Leaf, Audi eTron GT, Porsche Taycan, VW ID3, ID Buzz, ID4, ID5, soon ID7, Audi Q4/Q4 Sportback eTron, Ford Mustang, Ford F150 Lightning, Rivian R1T, R1S, Lucid Air, BYD Atto 3, BYD Dolphin, BYD Seal, Xpeng P7, G9, NIO ET7, ES8, EP9, Ora Funky Cat, Mini EV (soon the better new EV), smart #1, Hummer EV, Polestar 2, soon 3, Volvo C40 recharge, XC40, MG ZS, MG4, Skoda Enyaq, Cupra, etc etc etc I can't remember more right now but I am sure there's at least twice as many. It's not just "oh etron is bad, now there is only Tesla. Full stop"
  - shiftpgdn 4y ago
    For US buyers half of your list are VW/Audi/Porsche products which have the same underlying software issues. I will admit the Taycan is the best driving car, EV or otherwise I have ever driven. The Ford Products are promising but have been majorly hamstrung by dealers asking for astronimal markups. I had a Polestar as a rental car and it was great, and the BMW and Mercedes EVs are wonderful too. BUT they're all stuck with a very unreliable charging network and dealers are awful middlemen for now.
    - avgDev 4y ago
      Tesla is opening the charging network so...you are no longer stuck with unreliable charging network.
      - twblalock 4y ago
        Yeah now it's going to be a reliable charging network with hour-long lines to get a spot.

71a54xd 4y ago

Yes! Exactly this! I also know an owner of an E-tron SUV who had abysmal experiences with the dealer and well, the drivetrain / engineering of the e-tron itself. I don't really like Elon, and I think Tesla interior quality is sub-par even to my VW but if I had to buy an EV it would be a Tesla. Full stop. I don't understand who's downvoting this? I'm objectively NOT a fan of Tesla, admit they have some faults but because I'm buying based on hard tech that's clearly better (some would argue with better environmental outcomes) they're not okay with my opinion?

ulfw 4y ago
Because there's now a hundred alternatives. It's not just an 'etron'. From Kia EV6 to Hyuandai ioniq 5 and 6 to BMW iX, BMW i4, i7, Mercedes EQA, EQB, EQC, EQE, EQS to Genesis GV60 to Kona, Nissan Leaf, Audi eTron GT, Porsche Taycan, VW ID3, ID Buzz, ID4, ID5, soon ID7, Audi Q4/Q4 Sportback eTron, Ford Mustang, Ford F150 Lightning, Rivian R1T, R1S, Lucid Air, BYD Atto 3, BYD Dolphin, BYD Seal, Xpeng P7, G9, NIO ET7, ES8, EP9, Ora Funky Cat, Mini EV (soon the better new EV), smart #1, Hummer EV, Polestar 2, soon 3, Volvo C40 recharge, XC40, MG ZS, MG4, Skoda Enyaq, Cupra, etc etc etc I can't remember more right now but I am sure there's at least twice as many. It's not just "oh etron is bad, now there is only Tesla. Full stop"
- shiftpgdn 4y ago
  For US buyers half of your list are VW/Audi/Porsche products which have the same underlying software issues. I will admit the Taycan is the best driving car, EV or otherwise I have ever driven. The Ford Products are promising but have been majorly hamstrung by dealers asking for astronimal markups. I had a Polestar as a rental car and it was great, and the BMW and Mercedes EVs are wonderful too. BUT they're all stuck with a very unreliable charging network and dealers are awful middlemen for now.
  - avgDev 4y ago
    Tesla is opening the charging network so...you are no longer stuck with unreliable charging network.
    - twblalock 4y ago
      Yeah now it's going to be a reliable charging network with hour-long lines to get a spot.