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And you can’t turn bluetooth off without logging in first, a feature which is available for WiFi. Horrendous UX decisions by Apple.

porbelm 4y ago
Well if you have the Find My Device functionality enabled, not being able to turn off Bluetooth (and WiFi) is a good thing, since a thief cannot disable location deriving and reporting features by turning them off.
- gligorot 4y ago
  I don’t think those are connected…or at least it would be silly for that to be the case. Say your laptop was stolen when your BT was off for some random reason - does that mean you won’t be able to find it?
  - threeseed 4y ago
    Bluetooth is a fundamental part of the Find My and broader Location Services stack. Low power devices like AirTag rely entirely on Bluetooth LE and the Find My network to determine their location.
    - gligorot 4y ago
      Yes but does it matter if your BT is turned off _visually_? The device can still send data. Besides, receiving consumes more power than sending, theoretically Apple can just shut off the receiving part and send intermittently (every 2 sec or so) and achieve very minimal power usage. Again, this is just speculation, I’m genuinely interested in the details.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
  Surely the Bluetooth beacon/Find My Device workflow could be separated from the user accessible headphones use.
joshstrange 4y ago
> Horrendous UX decisions by Apple. Is there any OS that offers that by default? I don't remember ever seeing that on Windows or any linux distro I used.
- gligorot 4y ago
  Whether other OSs do by default is irrelevant. Are you saying that I just be content with the ability to turn off WiFi? Besides, MacOS is cherished by many as a UX/UI masterpiece, yet there are many annoyances that need to be fixed by the user. For example window management is a big one, I simply haven’t been able to achieve the comfort of i3 on my work Mac. (tmux comes close, but I can’t run Firefox in there)
threeseed 4y ago
> a feature which is available for WiFi I am not able to disable WiFi from the login screen. I think it would be a horrendous decision to allow random people to do this.
- gligorot 4y ago
  All this is available on an iPhone, including wifi, cellular, bluetooth, airplane mode, hotspot and airdrop control. But maybe that’s beside the point, I’m interested why you see this as a bad thing?

porbelm 4y ago

Well if you have the Find My Device functionality enabled, not being able to turn off Bluetooth (and WiFi) is a good thing, since a thief cannot disable location deriving and reporting features by turning them off.

gligorot 4y ago
I don’t think those are connected…or at least it would be silly for that to be the case. Say your laptop was stolen when your BT was off for some random reason - does that mean you won’t be able to find it?
- threeseed 4y ago
  Bluetooth is a fundamental part of the Find My and broader Location Services stack. Low power devices like AirTag rely entirely on Bluetooth LE and the Find My network to determine their location.
  - gligorot 4y ago
    Yes but does it matter if your BT is turned off _visually_? The device can still send data. Besides, receiving consumes more power than sending, theoretically Apple can just shut off the receiving part and send intermittently (every 2 sec or so) and achieve very minimal power usage. Again, this is just speculation, I’m genuinely interested in the details.
0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
Surely the Bluetooth beacon/Find My Device workflow could be separated from the user accessible headphones use.

joshstrange 4y ago

> Horrendous UX decisions by Apple. Is there any OS that offers that by default? I don't remember ever seeing that on Windows or any linux distro I used.

gligorot 4y ago
Whether other OSs do by default is irrelevant. Are you saying that I just be content with the ability to turn off WiFi? Besides, MacOS is cherished by many as a UX/UI masterpiece, yet there are many annoyances that need to be fixed by the user. For example window management is a big one, I simply haven’t been able to achieve the comfort of i3 on my work Mac. (tmux comes close, but I can’t run Firefox in there)

threeseed 4y ago

> a feature which is available for WiFi I am not able to disable WiFi from the login screen. I think it would be a horrendous decision to allow random people to do this.

gligorot 4y ago
All this is available on an iPhone, including wifi, cellular, bluetooth, airplane mode, hotspot and airdrop control. But maybe that’s beside the point, I’m interested why you see this as a bad thing?