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I need to attract you, continuously, and then, in the same fashion, _hurt you_. Both elements need to be present for something to be toxic. If someone is "just"

I need to attract you, continuously, and then, in the same fashion, _hurt you_. Both elements need to be present for something to be toxic. If someone is "just" attracted, that's simply recruitment, and not toxic in itself.

ceejayoz 4y ago
If you don't think being recruited into neo-Nazism isn't a harmful thing, I'm not sure what to say.
- dkiok21k 4y ago
  That's not what I said, at all.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > I need to attract you, continuously, and then, in the same fashion, _hurt you_. This is precisely the case with cultish groups like neo-Nazis. They draw vulnerable/disaffected people in, they have attractive elements (sense of community, us-versus-the-world, positive feedback on traits others see as negative) that make it hard to leave, and they hurt you (job loss, friends and family disown you, reinforcement of those negative traits).
    - dkiok21k 4y ago
      I never said otherwise. I said a forum full of hatespeech/nazis is not _automatically_ a "toxic" place. It may be "violent", or "dangerous", and other things. If you can outright see what they are up to, and they are open about it, it is not toxic. Membership may indeed become toxic for particular individuals later on. I didn't say it won't.
      - mschuster91 4y ago
        > I said a forum full of hatespeech/nazis is not _automatically_ a "toxic" place. The key thing is, sooner or later just like a pond full of toxic mining waste, the toxic waste seeps through and eventually the dams fully break. We've seen exactly this in politics - it began with Trump and others spreading "birther" conspiracy myths in the Obama time, progressed with the Tea Party and culminated in a full-blown coup attempt where mass casualties were only barely averted. If you just let a pond of toxic waste accumulate and don't do anything to clean it up, you will inevitably head towards disaster.
        dkiok21k 4y ago
        I did not say or imply anything in that direction.
      - tarotuser 4y ago
        Quit gaslighting your definition of toxic, Stan.

ceejayoz 4y ago

If you don't think being recruited into neo-Nazism isn't a harmful thing, I'm not sure what to say.

dkiok21k 4y ago
That's not what I said, at all.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > I need to attract you, continuously, and then, in the same fashion, _hurt you_. This is precisely the case with cultish groups like neo-Nazis. They draw vulnerable/disaffected people in, they have attractive elements (sense of community, us-versus-the-world, positive feedback on traits others see as negative) that make it hard to leave, and they hurt you (job loss, friends and family disown you, reinforcement of those negative traits).
  - dkiok21k 4y ago
    I never said otherwise. I said a forum full of hatespeech/nazis is not _automatically_ a "toxic" place. It may be "violent", or "dangerous", and other things. If you can outright see what they are up to, and they are open about it, it is not toxic. Membership may indeed become toxic for particular individuals later on. I didn't say it won't.
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      > I said a forum full of hatespeech/nazis is not _automatically_ a "toxic" place. The key thing is, sooner or later just like a pond full of toxic mining waste, the toxic waste seeps through and eventually the dams fully break. We've seen exactly this in politics - it began with Trump and others spreading "birther" conspiracy myths in the Obama time, progressed with the Tea Party and culminated in a full-blown coup attempt where mass casualties were only barely averted. If you just let a pond of toxic waste accumulate and don't do anything to clean it up, you will inevitably head towards disaster.
      - dkiok21k 4y ago
        I did not say or imply anything in that direction.
    - tarotuser 4y ago
      Quit gaslighting your definition of toxic, Stan.