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Daniel Stenberg and the home of curl in Stockholm, Sweden
- r2vcap 4y agoHis HW configuration is very similar to mine. One linux desktop, one laptop, one Mac Mini. Interesting.
- johnchristopher 4y agoKDE ? Simon Stålenhag wallpapers ? Hmmmm :).
- mgaunard 4y ago[flagged]
- NiekvdMaas 4y agoAnd how many of those have >10 billion installs? https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/10/15/curl-installations-per-capita/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/10/15/curl-installations-pe...
- mgaunard 4y agoit was simply developed at the right time to become the de-facto command-line utility. But it should be a solved problem by now. No need for continuous full-time work.
- oaiey 4y agoIs not the solution called curl :)
- raverbashing 4y ago> No need for continuous full-time work. Probably not full-time, but some software are never done
- cinntaile 4y ago"I work for wolfSSL doing commercial curl support. If you need help to fix curl problems, fix your app's use of libcurl, add features to curl, fix curl bugs, optimize your curl use or libcurl education for your developers... Then I'm your man. Contact us!" From his website. They wouldn't give him a full-time position if there wasn't enough to do.
- reisse 4y agoIt isn't a solved problem because standards are evolving. The most noticeable ones are related to encryption, but there are also HTTP2, WebSockets, QUIC and other protocols you need to speak on the web.
- mgaunard 4y agoWebSocket isn't supported by curl. HTTP 2/3 are mostly bad ideas (slightly less bad in the case of 3, but still overkill) pushed by Google to optimize an edge case no one but web browsers care about. curl doesn't fully support HTTP 3 regardless.
- reisse 4y ago> WebSocket isn't supported by curl. Not yet in command-line, but libcurl has support. Besides, that's the task to work on full-time :) https://curl.se/docs/websocket.html https://curl.se/docs/websocket.html > to optimize an edge case no one but web browsers care about. I'd argue there are no reasonable use-cases for HTTP except web browsers.
- adql 4y agoYes. By curl. Every time comments like yours come up I'm just thinking "yeah, the fucker have no idea how much handling of edge cases comes up with libs like that"
- mgaunard 4y agoI have implemented many networking applications from Ethernet to application protocols. I am also particularly aware of how HTTP and all the related stack works. So your thinking appears to be inaccurate.
- the-smug-one 4y agoIsn't that just one side of the coin? The other being hardware compatibility.
- mgaunard 4y agoThere is nothing hardware-specific here.
- moremetadata 4y agoI'm going to ask a really silly question, how do open source maintainers make a living, compared to the commercial MS Windows world?
- dagw 4y agohow do open source maintainers make a living Most who make a living out of it work on the project as part of their jobs at larger tech companies or universities. A few manage to start a company around that project and make a living selling various licenses and support. A tiny number manage to (at least temporarily) scrape together a living from donations. For a large number of them however being an open source maintainer is an unpaid hobby they do on their evenings and weekends.
- vitorsr 4y agoYou can read it in the words of Daniel Stenberg himself: https://un.curl.dev/money https://un.curl.dev/money
- augustl 4y agoWhat is the better http client? I thought most HTTP clients piggybacked on libcurl :)
- bombolo 4y agoI once saw him at a conference and he said curl even has an option to emit the C code to call libcurl and do the curl request you did. I wish I had known this before. However I mostly use wget from shell, and since I mostly work with python aiohttp/standard library/just writing the request on the socket.
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- mrunkel 4y agocurl is basically a cli for libcurl.
- markphip 4y agoI think you are all overlooking the prevalence of libcurl While the curl CLI is ubiquitous in our world, libcurl is embedded and used all over the place. Given that it has always been well maintained and enhanced I do not see a lot of reason to create alternatives or for someone to look to replace it.
- dmitriid 4y ago> It's just one HTTP client. curl supports 28 transfer protocols [1] > There are better ones. curl has 60 language bindings, runs on 89 operating systems across 24 CPU architectures [1] So what is that mythical better client (that only does HTTP)? [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/11/25/89-operating-systems https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/11/25/89-operating-systems
- mgaunard 4y agoa better HTTP client is one that does exactly what you want, nothing more and nothing less.
- erinaceousjones 4y agoYes, that's fine. cURL isn't a HTTP client. It's a command line tool and library for transferring data with URLs :-)
- dmitriid 4y agoStill no name or this mysterious better client. And what happens when I need something more, or something else? I need to find a different "better client"?
- silon42 4y agoI still type wget when trying to download stuff... not sure if better, except for default behavior.
- jabl 4y agoI usually use curl. wget does have one feature that curl doesn't (or at least I'm aware of), namely recursive downloading. So you can easily somewhat download an entire site.
- dmitriid 4y agoI've run into weird situations where either curl or wget wouldn't be installed by default, so I use... whatever :) But usually curl.
- inglor_cz 4y ago"It's just one HTTP client. There are better ones." Why don't you stop being intentionally vague and tell us which ones, and what makes them better? Because if there is something better than curl, with its enormous scope in protocols and platforms, and free of charge to boot, I would surely like to know. Curl's installed base is enormous. If everyone who uses curl had to switch to some other solution tomorrow, that would mean millions of developer hours wasted. If anything, the author of curl should be paid more.
- chongli 4y agoDaniel’s a true legend in the community. If only we all could make something even 1% as useful as curl, the world would be a better place! Thanks Daniel! Edit: my comment is not intended to disparage the rest of us. Clearly there is an element of luck to making something tremendously useful. That being said, Daniel is an amazing steward of a useful tool. Sometimes the job can seem pretty thankless for him (cough Apple) so I wanted to thank him!
- bombolo 4y agoYou often can't know in advance what will be useful and what won't.
- adql 4y agoYou can often know what will be useless tho
- kybernetyk 4y agoRust is still popular ... so I wouldn't trust at least my future prediction skills.
- jraph 4y agoThis is getting downvoted but that's a neat self-deprecation joke!
- petepete 4y agoI immediately recognised the Cambridge Audio subwoofer under the desk. I had the same set on my PC from about 1998-1999 along with an Aureal Vortex. I loved that setup. https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjgzWDEwMjQ=/z/djQAAOSwtgNeUSYW/$_86.JPG https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjgzWDEwMjQ=/z/djQAAOSwtgNeUSYW/$...
- haunter 4y ago> I have thought about a HDMI/keyboard switch to allow me more easily switch between my different spare computers into the left “backup screen” to make it a lesser hassle to alter between those machines, but I haven’t yet decided nor found a product that would be suitable. Personally I love the Level 1 KVMs but they only do DisplayPort now. https://store.level1techs.com/search?q=kvm https://store.level1techs.com/search?q=kvm I have this 2 monitor 2 PC one https://store.level1techs.com/products/14-kvm-switch-dual-monitor-2computer?rq=kvm https://store.level1techs.com/products/14-kvm-switch-dual-mo... Still the KVM market is “all over the space” both in available configs and actual build quality too. It would be extremely niche but an open source modular KVM is a dream of mine.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago$299 for a two PC, single monitor kvm? Expensive.
- kybernetyk 4y agoActually not - it's capable of 120hz @ 4k. Your typical chinesium $49 amazon KVM won't do that.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y agoI work from home and every day I switch my cables to my work computer which takes 10 seconds. I don't want to pay $300 to shave 20 seconds off of my day.
- daneel_w 4y agoBut where's your Commodore 64, Bagder? We know it's hiding somewhere.
- mtmail 4y agoThat made me check if he really has a C64 port. No, not yet https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/11/25/89-operating-systems/ https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/11/25/89-operating-systems/
- RamblingCTO 4y agoPretty chaotic for my taste! I find that having clutter on my desktop distracts me and makes me feel uneasy. I'm wondering what the difference between Daniel and me is. Could it just be a personality trait?
- sph 4y agoI too like a clean desk. But a clean desk doesn't stay that for long. So all clean desk lovers like me tend to have a cluttered desk. The clean desks you see in pictures are obviously staged, or maybe people are really able to do serious work without ever putting a pen, or a cable, or a phone, or a mug on, sooner or later. It's like doing the dishes. One of the things I hate the most in life, because you clean stuff so you can dirty it later. A clean desk is one that nobody uses, while your favourite cup is always in the washer.
- RamblingCTO 4y agoRight, it's a constant process of getting messy and cleaning it up again. Speaking of which, brb ... cleaning my desk now haha. But the main difference is: I have my keyboard, mouse, closed macbook, a plant, and a big curved ultra-wide monitor on my desk. The rest is temporary clutter. Daniels desk however is full of "full-time tenants". I guess that's the difference.
- lampshades 4y agoWell, you’re a CTO (going by your handle) and Daniel is an open source engineer, so I’d say personally probably has something to do with it.
- terhechte 4y agoSteve Jobs was even a CEO and known for no-nonsense taste, but look what his desk looked like: https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/305048574748887722/ https://www.pinterest.ch/pin/305048574748887722/ There's a working desk, and there's the work that's being produced there. They don't have to have the same amount of structure.
- ihatepython 4y agoIt says the desk is homemade, but it looks like a standard Ikea desk
- theandrewbailey 4y agoBoth Daniel and Ikea are Swedish, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility that Daniel makes Ikea desks himself.
- fwlr 4y agoIKEA was originally a Swedish company and still does their design in Sweden, so perhaps it’s not surprising that a homemade Swedish desk looks a lot like an IKEA desk.
- dagw 4y agoIKEA doesn't have a 3 meter desk last time I checked. I'm guessing he bought a 3 meter wood counter top and screwed IKEA desk legs to it. That's what I did at least.
- BruceEel 4y agoReally nice article. Curious, are there more folks running Debian Unstable as daily driver?
- ddulaney 4y agoIt’s not uncommon for people who like Debian overall but want to be less out-of-date.