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The discussions under this article makes me irrationally angry. There’s a lot of people saying “just go to bed early” or “just wake up early”. Simple solution,
by 8ytecoder 4y ago
The discussions under this article makes me irrationally angry. There’s a lot of people saying “just go to bed early” or “just wake up early”. Simple solution, isn’t it? Except it’s not. This belief by both night owls and morning types is affecting a lot of people and their health. Circadian rhythm is different for differently people. Sleep chronotypes are somewhat well researched and there’s clear indication that a good percentage of people are in one extreme or the other and the a big chunk in the middle. It’s also important to note that this shifts with age.
There’s also evolutionary bias for why natural selection would have favoured staggered sleep schedules - in a group setting this would have allowed different people to stay alert at different times during the night and thereby increasing the chances of survival of the entire group.
Irrespective of all of this - it fucking doesn’t matter. If some people say they struggle to get up early and are sincere about it, it makes sense to provide very basic accommodations. For example, what’s the harm in having meetings only after 9pm? Also don’t schedule meetings after 3pm so those who are the morning types can wind down and get home? We make all sorts of reasonable accommodations for food preferences, religious beliefs, …etc. If some people are more productive during certain hours, it fucking makes good business sense to let them work during their best hours - within reasonable limits.
I can only recommend people to read Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker for the health and economic damage we do this society in the name of perfect adherence.
(I have an ADHD diagnosis but looking at the effects of poor sleep sometimes I wonder if I really have ADHD or if it’s just the poor sleep that’s been fucking with me all my life)
- cududa 4y agoHit the nail on the head on how I’m feeling. SO many people here commenting on how their body and mind operate as if it’s a universal experience that applies to all humans, and that others are lazy if they don’t operate in the same way.
- TheKarateKid 4y agoExactly. Public schools are finally starting to re-evaluate having high school students start the earliest, especially when younger kids are the ones naturally up earlier. Sadly, a lot of the reason for this scheduling is because no one wants sports practice to start at 4pm and we all know how that's always prioritized in our society.
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- waterhouse 4y agoIt should be noted that Matthew Walker, in his book, acts as a scientifically unrigorous advocate and gets a lot wrong. I agree with the general message "many people need more sleep than they get, this is a problem, we should take this seriously and accommodate them"; but one must also be certain of one's facts. See "Matthew Walker's "Why We Sleep" Is Riddled with Scientific and Factual Errors": https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/ https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/ Prior discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21546850
- 8ytecoder 4y agoI have a habit of searching for “<famous book> criticism” before I read popular books. So I did find this article and the discussion on Reddit [1]. I came to the conclusion that the book won’t pass a complete scientific scrutiny but it’s still directionally accurate for me to not dismiss it. [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/dwtr0m/_/f7mid7m https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/dwtr0m/_/f7...