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Boy. There’s a lot to say about this story. But the most remarkable thing is the incredibly high quality of the journalism. Unbelievably thorough investigative
by kickaha 4y ago
Boy. There’s a lot to say about this story.
But the most remarkable thing is the incredibly high quality of the journalism. Unbelievably thorough investigative reporting, outstanding exposition of highly technical items. From a college newspaper!
- hodgesrm 4y agoIt's really good. The most interesting part for me is toward the end where the article adduces evidence that Tessier-Lavigne rather than simply retracting instead wrote later papers that swept the earlier conclusions under the rug. The investigators mastered not just the science but the bureaucracy of research, making it a great read at multiple levels. > Schrag, the Alzheimer’s researcher without knowledge of the internal review, told The Daily that “to his credit, Dr. Tessier-Lavigne authored several of the later studies which revised the findings of his 2009 paper.” Some smart kids over there in Palo Alto. I hope they keep at it when they graduate.
- strangattractor 4y agoGoes to show how important being able to reproduce results of experiments is - especially in medicine. Me thinks we need more of it.
- manquer 4y agoWhy is it surprising that college newspaper did it ? It is lot more likely to be able to get to spend countless hours required than a large commercial publication for an investigative piece ? Student journalists get paid far less if anything at all and will definitely be motivated in a story about their college and put in the extra hours than a professional journalist also easily tap into subject matter expertise right there in their college Journalism quality is a primarily function of how motivated the journalist (and the publisher) is about the story, there is no shortage of talent in university like Stanford.
- Animats 4y agoI wonder if the university will take action against the students involved.
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- bakul 4y agoWhy would Stanford do that? Baker’s author page shows this is not his first such investigation. https://stanforddaily.com/author/tabaker/ https://stanforddaily.com/author/tabaker/
- whamlastxmas 4y agoIt’s not without precedent at other universities. Let us not forget UC Berkeley I believe that unlawfully arrested student protesters and sprayed them with pepper spray while they were sitting there in handcuffs
- lofatdairy 4y agoIirc that was UC Davis (doesn't change anything except making sure the correct institution receives the black mark) and they tried to pay some org to remove that pic from the internet lmao.
- WillPostForFood 4y agoWhat precedent do you think that sets for journalism at a university?
- CPLX 4y agoIt sets the precedent that journalism that takes place at the university should not challenge the entrenched power structure. Which I would assume to be the point.
- dgs_sgd 4y agoI've heard from several friends at Stanford that the president is not well liked among the student body. That could be a secondary motivation for producing high quality journalism in an attempt to bring potential wrongdoings to light.
- pyuser583 4y agoI’ve heard Stanford governance in general is not well liked. And I mean hated with a passion by many. https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/06/13/stanfords-war-on-social-life/ https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/06/13/stanfords-war-on-soc...
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y agoIt is only high quality reporting until proved otherwise.
- cozzyd 4y agoI worked with the daily when I was a student (not doing reporting, but layout). Many of the people I worked with are pretty high profile journalists now.