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Talking to AI chat bots is the equivalent of talking to a parrot. I can't wait for the next market crash to wipe these ai and bitcoin companies off the face of

Talking to AI chat bots is the equivalent of talking to a parrot. I can't wait for the next market crash to wipe these ai and bitcoin companies off the face of the earth. Such a gigantic waste of human effort ( and carbon budget, in the case of bitcoin)

Yiin 4y ago
Differently from crypto currencies, AI is actually solving real problems.
valine 4y ago
A parrot can’t play 20 questions, emulate theory of mind, or implement merge sort with pirate themed variable names.
- gowld 4y ago
  > A parrot can’t play 20 questions, Not, but a tree can. > emulate theory of mind, Neither can Chat GPT. "Failing a Theory of Mind at the same level a 7 year old does" is no more Theory of Mind than being really good at chess is. > or implement merge sort with pirate themed variable names. True.
  - thewrongthinker 4y ago
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  - valine 4y ago
    A tree can only play 20 questions if it’s asking the questions. ChatGPT can go the other way.
- makotech221 4y ago
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monkeynotes 4y ago
No, no it isn't. I've already used ChatGPT to help me with dozens of management tasks. I got it to help me write a presentation. I have it help me curate 1:1 conversations that are not boring, with my team members context and levels. It can write a song with melody, chords, lyrics, all novel and creative. And remember this is just ~6 months into ChatGPT. BitCoin had no real use-cases beyond betting and pump and dump and niche trading that the general public could not get in on. ChatGPT is being used creatively today by millions. It does your homework. How is this classed as a bubble or hype. How can you possibly see it as a waste of effort or equivalent to talking to a parrot??
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  When I see comments like this I have to wonder if I live in a different reality than whoever wrote it. I saw the potential in GPT models to help me with creative tasks, writing, etc. and I have consistently found it to be really quite unimpressive at it. I didn't even find it to be a good conversation partner. I can't use it to generate anything without thorough review for soundness either, so it doesn't really have potential to automate much of anything as far as I'm concerned. About the only really good use of it I have seen is "Nothing, Forever", an entertainment/art piece that thrives on the jank of what it produces. I have no doubt that technology will eventually get there, but I certainly don't see it as there today.
  - noobermin 4y ago
    This whole moment of exuberance just reminds me of Bitcoin in 2020, or NFTs in 2021 or so, just a bunch of hype and a few grifters jumping immediately to the biggest thing, but when you peel back the layers and look at the actual thing, it underwhelms. Again, AI will get to being interesting and useful but I too don't see it there today myself.
    - monkeynotes 4y ago
      Except Bitcoin and NFTs are still looking for real world adoption beyond the grifter pump and dumpers. GPT has many, many existing real world use cases. It can answer legal questions, write your homework, write code, I really don't understand the similarities. It's even better than Google at getting specific answers that you are having a hard time finding on Google. You can iterate conversationally with it. If you don't like the answer you can guide it, that's just ridiculously powerful.
broast 4y ago
The value of text completion goes far beyond chat interfaces. LLM's are computers.
- vidarh 4y ago
  To add to the last bit: It's trivial to get ChatGPT to evaluate actual code it can't possibly have seen before and correctly produce the expected output. Only limits on the size of context and output stops it from being turing complete.
martinflack 4y ago
Yes and no. A pet parrot repeats what you yourself trained it with, or at least the people in the residence. ChatGPT was apparently trained on the web en masse; the parrot can speak back with the sum of human knowledge, to some approximation. That's quite useful. (And also problematic sometimes, as discussed elsewhere.)
kilgnad 4y ago
Just a month ago you would get voted down for saying chatGPT understands the queries you are giving it and is more then just an AI that parrots everything you tell it. Now we are hitting an inflection point. People are realizing chatGPT is more then that. The people getting voted down are the people saying chatGPT is just some trivial word generator. The masses are realizing that chatGPT is different. There's just been years and years of AI buzz so people are used to downplaying it. So much so that when something genuinely intelligent is built they just fall into the same generic pattern of saying that these things are just statistical word generators because "oh it got my specific question wrong." It's biased because they are dismissing everything it gets right.
vidarh 4y ago
In ~10 minutes of asking for an outline first and then asking it to fill in functions it left unimplemented in the first replies, I got ChatGPT to provide the basics of a DNS server from scratch that I only had to correct about two lines of to be able to run and execute queries against. This isn't a hard problem (it's a few dozen lines of code to do the bare minimum, maybe a couple of hundreds to add a reasonably full featured parser), but it involved a conversation of refining it that wasn't just "fill in this missing detail", but e.g. asking it to implement parsing of the query package in a specific language (Ruby), using a specific API, and using a specific format. Ruby ships with a DNS implementation; the ChatGPT solution looks nothing like either the standard Ruby implementation or the alternative Ruby DNS implementations I've checked. You must know parrots with better reasoning skills than I do. [EDIT: Note that I specifically picked this exactly because I was sceptical of how well it'd do, it's something I've done before myself, with a protocol I know well enough to be able to evaluate the code without much effort]

Yiin 4y ago

Differently from crypto currencies, AI is actually solving real problems.

valine 4y ago

A parrot can’t play 20 questions, emulate theory of mind, or implement merge sort with pirate themed variable names.

gowld 4y ago
> A parrot can’t play 20 questions, Not, but a tree can. > emulate theory of mind, Neither can Chat GPT. "Failing a Theory of Mind at the same level a 7 year old does" is no more Theory of Mind than being really good at chess is. > or implement merge sort with pirate themed variable names. True.
- thewrongthinker 4y ago
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- valine 4y ago
  A tree can only play 20 questions if it’s asking the questions. ChatGPT can go the other way.
makotech221 4y ago
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monkeynotes 4y ago

No, no it isn't. I've already used ChatGPT to help me with dozens of management tasks. I got it to help me write a presentation. I have it help me curate 1:1 conversations that are not boring, with my team members context and levels. It can write a song with melody, chords, lyrics, all novel and creative. And remember this is just ~6 months into ChatGPT. BitCoin had no real use-cases beyond betting and pump and dump and niche trading that the general public could not get in on. ChatGPT is being used creatively today by millions. It does your homework. How is this classed as a bubble or hype. How can you possibly see it as a waste of effort or equivalent to talking to a parrot??

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
When I see comments like this I have to wonder if I live in a different reality than whoever wrote it. I saw the potential in GPT models to help me with creative tasks, writing, etc. and I have consistently found it to be really quite unimpressive at it. I didn't even find it to be a good conversation partner. I can't use it to generate anything without thorough review for soundness either, so it doesn't really have potential to automate much of anything as far as I'm concerned. About the only really good use of it I have seen is "Nothing, Forever", an entertainment/art piece that thrives on the jank of what it produces. I have no doubt that technology will eventually get there, but I certainly don't see it as there today.
- noobermin 4y ago
  This whole moment of exuberance just reminds me of Bitcoin in 2020, or NFTs in 2021 or so, just a bunch of hype and a few grifters jumping immediately to the biggest thing, but when you peel back the layers and look at the actual thing, it underwhelms. Again, AI will get to being interesting and useful but I too don't see it there today myself.
  - monkeynotes 4y ago
    Except Bitcoin and NFTs are still looking for real world adoption beyond the grifter pump and dumpers. GPT has many, many existing real world use cases. It can answer legal questions, write your homework, write code, I really don't understand the similarities. It's even better than Google at getting specific answers that you are having a hard time finding on Google. You can iterate conversationally with it. If you don't like the answer you can guide it, that's just ridiculously powerful.

broast 4y ago

The value of text completion goes far beyond chat interfaces. LLM's are computers.

vidarh 4y ago
To add to the last bit: It's trivial to get ChatGPT to evaluate actual code it can't possibly have seen before and correctly produce the expected output. Only limits on the size of context and output stops it from being turing complete.

martinflack 4y ago

Yes and no. A pet parrot repeats what you yourself trained it with, or at least the people in the residence. ChatGPT was apparently trained on the web en masse; the parrot can speak back with the sum of human knowledge, to some approximation. That's quite useful. (And also problematic sometimes, as discussed elsewhere.)

kilgnad 4y ago

Just a month ago you would get voted down for saying chatGPT understands the queries you are giving it and is more then just an AI that parrots everything you tell it. Now we are hitting an inflection point. People are realizing chatGPT is more then that. The people getting voted down are the people saying chatGPT is just some trivial word generator. The masses are realizing that chatGPT is different. There's just been years and years of AI buzz so people are used to downplaying it. So much so that when something genuinely intelligent is built they just fall into the same generic pattern of saying that these things are just statistical word generators because "oh it got my specific question wrong." It's biased because they are dismissing everything it gets right.

vidarh 4y ago

In ~10 minutes of asking for an outline first and then asking it to fill in functions it left unimplemented in the first replies, I got ChatGPT to provide the basics of a DNS server from scratch that I only had to correct about two lines of to be able to run and execute queries against. This isn't a hard problem (it's a few dozen lines of code to do the bare minimum, maybe a couple of hundreds to add a reasonably full featured parser), but it involved a conversation of refining it that wasn't just "fill in this missing detail", but e.g. asking it to implement parsing of the query package in a specific language (Ruby), using a specific API, and using a specific format. Ruby ships with a DNS implementation; the ChatGPT solution looks nothing like either the standard Ruby implementation or the alternative Ruby DNS implementations I've checked. You must know parrots with better reasoning skills than I do. [EDIT: Note that I specifically picked this exactly because I was sceptical of how well it'd do, it's something I've done before myself, with a protocol I know well enough to be able to evaluate the code without much effort]