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> Are Dark Patterns the fault of the user or the company But you - and supposedly the other people downvoting me - don’t seem to realize that absolutely nothin

> Are Dark Patterns the fault of the user or the company But you - and supposedly the other people downvoting me - don’t seem to realize that absolutely nothing has happened to the user’s original files. They simply misunderstood how to sync files to their other devices.

Hizonner 4y ago
The user was led to expect that their data would be in Apple Music. At that point, it would be completely reasonable for them to delete all copies of the files themselves in the understanding that Apple Music would actually absorb and retain the content it claimed to have imported.
- salawat 4y ago
  Ah, but the User would be wrong, because the MPAA and RIAA outsource copyright enforcement to everyone else. So business-wise, you have to assume that anything you "try to import" will be looked at as tainted, lest it put the company on the pedestal of "accomplice to copyright infringement". You must consider every service provider a hostile entity. No exceptions.
- Someone 4y ago
  “Was led to expect” or “expected”? It may be the former, but I don’t see any clear evidence for that in this page. The case that Apple led users to believe that, for me, would require showing what they tell users when you allow Apple Music to sync with your old iTunes library. Do they even use the word “Sync”? I wouldn’t know, and AFAICT this page doesn’t tell me.
  - Hizonner 4y ago
    If the user told it "import these files over here", or "absorb that collection over there", and it said "OK, I did it", without providing a big fat "you must click to acknowledge this specific fact" sort of warning about lost or modified files, then it led the user to expect that the stuff was imported. Actually it would probably take several warnings. "The following files will not be imported. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with DRM-encumbered versions. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with versions that may be different performances, mixes, or encodings. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with censored radio edits. Click to accept.". Anything short of that is misleading. If "what they tell users" is ten paragraphs of crap with an oblique mention of their losing your files or replacing them with their "improved" DRM-and-censorship-included versions, that does nothing at all.
jasonlotito 4y ago
> But you - and supposedly the other people downvoting me - don’t seem to realize that absolutely nothing has happened to the user’s original files. This is incorrect. You are wrong. They are clearly misrepresenting what they are doing if the songs they are matching are not the same ones uploaded. e.g. I upload version A, and I get back a different version (version B). Some songs are dramatically different from version A to B, and "matching" a different version is not acceptable. Further, why people are down voting you has very little to do with what is happening and more to do with your comments and how they are in some ways inappropriate.
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Hizonner 4y ago

The user was led to expect that their data would be in Apple Music. At that point, it would be completely reasonable for them to delete all copies of the files themselves in the understanding that Apple Music would actually absorb and retain the content it claimed to have imported.

salawat 4y ago
Ah, but the User would be wrong, because the MPAA and RIAA outsource copyright enforcement to everyone else. So business-wise, you have to assume that anything you "try to import" will be looked at as tainted, lest it put the company on the pedestal of "accomplice to copyright infringement". You must consider every service provider a hostile entity. No exceptions.
Someone 4y ago
“Was led to expect” or “expected”? It may be the former, but I don’t see any clear evidence for that in this page. The case that Apple led users to believe that, for me, would require showing what they tell users when you allow Apple Music to sync with your old iTunes library. Do they even use the word “Sync”? I wouldn’t know, and AFAICT this page doesn’t tell me.
- Hizonner 4y ago
  If the user told it "import these files over here", or "absorb that collection over there", and it said "OK, I did it", without providing a big fat "you must click to acknowledge this specific fact" sort of warning about lost or modified files, then it led the user to expect that the stuff was imported. Actually it would probably take several warnings. "The following files will not be imported. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with DRM-encumbered versions. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with versions that may be different performances, mixes, or encodings. Click to accept.". "The following files will be replaced with censored radio edits. Click to accept.". Anything short of that is misleading. If "what they tell users" is ten paragraphs of crap with an oblique mention of their losing your files or replacing them with their "improved" DRM-and-censorship-included versions, that does nothing at all.

jasonlotito 4y ago

> But you - and supposedly the other people downvoting me - don’t seem to realize that absolutely nothing has happened to the user’s original files. This is incorrect. You are wrong. They are clearly misrepresenting what they are doing if the songs they are matching are not the same ones uploaded. e.g. I upload version A, and I get back a different version (version B). Some songs are dramatically different from version A to B, and "matching" a different version is not acceptable. Further, why people are down voting you has very little to do with what is happening and more to do with your comments and how they are in some ways inappropriate.

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