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Nearly every modern gas vehicle has remote start, and has for years. This isn't an EV feature.
by zackkitzmiller 4y ago
Nearly every modern gas vehicle has remote start, and has for years. This isn't an EV feature.
- wil421 4y agoLots of people park in garages where it’s not an option.
- rosnd 4y agoMy gas powered Mercedes heats up just fine without starting the engine. This has been a common feature for like ... idk, 20 years? I think even the 80s W214 had this option, although that used a separate burner system instead of batteries.
- iancmceachern 4y agoReplying to the comment below about garages. One can simply open the garage door, also remotely. Step 1, open garage door remotely, step 2, start car remotely.
- LeoPanthera 4y agoA big difference is that while an EV is sitting plugged in, it can heat itself from wall power, rather than burning gas to do it.
- nightski 4y agoIt's called a block heater and they have been in use for many decades in cold climates.
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y agoBlock heaters don't heat the cab, so it's still uncomfortable
- nightski 4y agoI wasn't claiming that they did. The block heater keeps the engine warm to allow for easy remote start.
- enduser 4y agoAn EV can do both, without emissions, from wall power.
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- SoftTalker 4y agoNot directly, but the warm water in the block will mean that at least some heat is immediately available once you start the car. The main benefit of block heaters is not in heating the cab, but heating the engine itself so that it's actually possible to start it. That aside, never understood the value of "pre heating" the car interior. If it's that cold, you're wearing a coat and gloves (or should be). Start the car, drive off, and you'll have heat within a few minutes.
- bagels 4y agoThe value is not having to wear all that gear while driving, and just comfort generally. Living in the bay area it's nice that the Teslas have this capability to warm the interior from 55 to 70 before I get in the car. It means I can leave the house in a t shirt in the morning.
- LeifCarrotson 4y agoRunning the engine is a very inefficient way to heat the oil (sometimes requiring a plug-in _electric_ engine block heater if it's so cold the bearings and rings would be insufficiently lubricated to start), and doesn't work at all to warm up a gelled tank of diesel. It's ridiculously inefficient to try to cool the cabin. EV heating and cooling is far superior to warming up a gas vehicle.
- jonux 4y agoWow. That would be "nearly every modern gas vehicle in north America". Seriously. Running a cold petrol engine under low load in freezing conditions only for heating i just simply a bad idea. Never understood how this is even remotely OK in the US. This is illegal in most of Europe. And for good reason. If it is around Celcius -40 then you would never turn off the vehicle. And a bit over that - there is always the Russian option of having a large candle below the oil tray (bad english, but you get it... under the engine) for pre heating. The more mainstream option is plugged in electric heating of coolant water. I remember from my days in the Swedish army that there was a pre heating scheme for the drivers where specific spots on trucks APC's and such should be heated by gas light. Usually it is sufficient to start the engine, clean the windows from ice, and then get going. A short engine running time without load for letting oils and fluids melt is only sane. Actually heating the cabin is nothing but wasteful.
- mcspiff 4y agoIn Canada, electric block heaters for the engine are fairly common as well: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_heater . Similar concept to fire under the engine, but a bit more modern
- bbbbb5 4y ago>Wow. That would be "nearly every modern gas vehicle in north America". >Seriously. Running a cold petrol engine under low load in freezing conditions only for heating i just simply a bad idea. Never understood how this is even remotely OK in the US. This is illegal in most of Europe. And for good reason. My German BMW 7 series definitely had remote start (and an auxiliary heater too). Maybach GLS has an auxiliary heater. These are hardly uncommon features in vastly cheaper cars either. Various Webasto systems have been around for ages, often installed by OEMs.
- nszceta 4y ago> Actually heating the cabin is nothing but wasteful. Americans value comfort and they get it. Europeans want it too but they can't afford it (taxation and energy scarcity)
- WirelessGigabit 4y agoThat's not allowed in Europe.
- rosnd 4y agos/remote start/auxiliary heater/ Fixed for EU. End result is same, ICE car warm.
- WirelessGigabit 4y agoIt's an additional component. It adds extra weight that you're always lugging around. Engine, pipes, pump etc. And it's weird that it is allowed in Europe, as it has more emissions than a normal engine. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210909123913.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210909123913.h...
- anecdotal1 4y agoAudis don't come with it because it's illegal in Germany according to my old neighbor so he always had to install an aftermarket one...
- nikau 4y agoIf its cold enough in Europe they install dedicated heaters rather than idling the engine - they install a small heating device and pump plumbed into the cooling loop and to the petrol or diesel supply. When it runs it heats the coolant and circulates it through the engine block. Newer ones can also talk to the ECU to open the heater core valve and fans to pre heat the interior too. They also can use either SMS messages or an app to turn on remotely if you don't want to use fixed timers.
- gwbas1c 4y agoYou can't do remote start in a garage. I remote start my Tesla in my garage all the time on super-cold days. If I did that with a gas car, I'd get carbon monoxide poisoning.
- Reason077 4y ago> "Nearly every modern gas vehicle has remote start, and has for years." And every year in the US, at least 430 people die from accidental carbon monoxide poisoning.