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Let me argue from the other end. The incident happened, which is obv not good. What where the causes? How can we prevent this from happening again? What do oth

Let me argue from the other end. The incident happened, which is obv not good. What where the causes? How can we prevent this from happening again? What do other high profile perons do to prevent this from happening?

Eisenstein 4y ago
> What where the causes? Elon loves to shove himself front and center into the public eye and to stoke a fanbase. Large groups of people inevitably contain some crazy ones. Obsessive para-social relations often lead to unhinged fans stalking or harassing the targets of their obsession. This is so common it has a term coined by Eminem: "Stan". > How can we prevent this from happening again? Celebrities are often stalked not just by fans but by reporters. Princess Di was arguably put in a situation by photographers which led to a car crash and her death. It appears the solutions are either: (1) Don't be famous, or be the type of famous person that has a low profile (there are a lot of them) (2) If you are a billionaire then you can afford a security detail -- get one (3) Support real mental health efforts and legislation which funds support for people with mental health issues, instead of sticking them in prison or making them live on the street
- convery 4y ago
  So the tl;dr: "If you don't want your kid to be stalked, and the car driving them assaulted, surround them with bodyguards 24/7 or stop being famous". HN really is turning into Reddit these days..
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    > "If you don't want your kid to be stalked, and the car driving them assaulted, surround them with bodyguards 24/7 or stop being famous" The only defense against stalkers is to avoid being stalked or to physically prevent them from stalking you. What is your solution?
    - djbebs 4y ago
      Not having laws that actively enable the stalking is a good start
      - Eisenstein 4y ago
        What are some examples of these laws?
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    And Elon also goes against common advice and purposely paints a giant target on himself. Not all too irrelevant considering kids are taught at age 2 and held accountable for creating enemies. Elon's case isn't exactly average even among the ultra-rich.
- baby 4y ago
  every celebrity is stalked by paparazzi btw, imo the job should be illegal

Eisenstein 4y ago

> What where the causes? Elon loves to shove himself front and center into the public eye and to stoke a fanbase. Large groups of people inevitably contain some crazy ones. Obsessive para-social relations often lead to unhinged fans stalking or harassing the targets of their obsession. This is so common it has a term coined by Eminem: "Stan". > How can we prevent this from happening again? Celebrities are often stalked not just by fans but by reporters. Princess Di was arguably put in a situation by photographers which led to a car crash and her death. It appears the solutions are either: (1) Don't be famous, or be the type of famous person that has a low profile (there are a lot of them) (2) If you are a billionaire then you can afford a security detail -- get one (3) Support real mental health efforts and legislation which funds support for people with mental health issues, instead of sticking them in prison or making them live on the street

convery 4y ago
So the tl;dr: "If you don't want your kid to be stalked, and the car driving them assaulted, surround them with bodyguards 24/7 or stop being famous". HN really is turning into Reddit these days..
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  > "If you don't want your kid to be stalked, and the car driving them assaulted, surround them with bodyguards 24/7 or stop being famous" The only defense against stalkers is to avoid being stalked or to physically prevent them from stalking you. What is your solution?
  - djbebs 4y ago
    Not having laws that actively enable the stalking is a good start
    - Eisenstein 4y ago
      What are some examples of these laws?
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  And Elon also goes against common advice and purposely paints a giant target on himself. Not all too irrelevant considering kids are taught at age 2 and held accountable for creating enemies. Elon's case isn't exactly average even among the ultra-rich.
baby 4y ago
every celebrity is stalked by paparazzi btw, imo the job should be illegal