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Yeah, same in germany. Being an "Ingenieur" requires an academic degree (and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway...)

LAC-Tech 4y ago
Do people still use "Entwickler" in Germany, or are job titles all pretty much Denglish now?
- dual_dingo 4y ago
  It's still used quite a lot.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Entwickler is pretty common in Berlin, but I've not quantified it as a percentage as I'm definitely not close to C1 standard even now, and have always skipped such adverts in the past: https://www.stepstone.de/jobs/entwickler/in-berlin https://www.stepstone.de/jobs/entwickler/in-berlin And Berlin is (I'm told by everyone here) much more English language than anywhere else in Germany.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Depends on the company and jobs platform. For conservative big names engineering like Bosch, Simenns or traditional mittlestand companies that mostly operate with German customers, yes they still use it. Xing is full of German only job ads. But for software only companies operating international looking to attract foreign talent off LinkeIn, no, it's all English.
Sebb767 4y ago
> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway If your university offers computer science as a bachelor of engineering, it actually does grant you the title.
MezzoDelCammin 4y ago
Is the "Dipl. Ing" still being used? I remember Klaus Knopper (the Knopix creator) had this at some point at his website
- febeling 4y ago
  I don’t think that degree is granted anywhere anymore. I believe around 2005 most german universities switched to granting masters and bachelors, usually „of Science“ for technical subjects. The title is in english, also in german language context.
- PabloSichert 4y ago
  There's still a couple of universities that offer a "Diplomstudium", e.g. TU Dresden: https://tu-dresden.de/ing/studium/studienangebot https://tu-dresden.de/ing/studium/studienangebot.
jaclaz 4y ago
I remember (many years ago, so it may be obsolete info) that there was some difference with a "Diplom Ingenieur", or at least I knew a few german Civil Engineers that took some pride in the "Diplom" part.
PabloSichert 4y ago
> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway That's not correct. E.g., consider the relevant section in the Bavarian engineering law[1] (using Google Translate): > The job title engineer alone or in a word combination may use, > (1) Anyone who has successfully completed an undergraduate degree at a state or state-recognized German university > a) in a technical-scientific subject, > b) which has a standard period of study of at least six full-time semesters and with which at least 180 points can be acquired using the ECTS system and > c) in which the areas of mathematics, computer science, natural sciences and technology predominate; this requirement does not apply to people who have completed an undergraduate degree in industrial engineering and only use the professional title in the word combination industrial engineer Further, my diploma for a Bachelor's in Computer Science from TUM contains the passage: > The graduate is entitled to employ the designation Engineer alone or as part of a compound word. [1] https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayIngG2016-2 https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayIngG2016-2

LAC-Tech 4y ago

Do people still use "Entwickler" in Germany, or are job titles all pretty much Denglish now?

dual_dingo 4y ago
It's still used quite a lot.
ben_w 4y ago
Entwickler is pretty common in Berlin, but I've not quantified it as a percentage as I'm definitely not close to C1 standard even now, and have always skipped such adverts in the past: https://www.stepstone.de/jobs/entwickler/in-berlin https://www.stepstone.de/jobs/entwickler/in-berlin And Berlin is (I'm told by everyone here) much more English language than anywhere else in Germany.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Depends on the company and jobs platform. For conservative big names engineering like Bosch, Simenns or traditional mittlestand companies that mostly operate with German customers, yes they still use it. Xing is full of German only job ads. But for software only companies operating international looking to attract foreign talent off LinkeIn, no, it's all English.

Sebb767 4y ago

> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway If your university offers computer science as a bachelor of engineering, it actually does grant you the title.

MezzoDelCammin 4y ago

Is the "Dipl. Ing" still being used? I remember Klaus Knopper (the Knopix creator) had this at some point at his website

febeling 4y ago
I don’t think that degree is granted anywhere anymore. I believe around 2005 most german universities switched to granting masters and bachelors, usually „of Science“ for technical subjects. The title is in english, also in german language context.
PabloSichert 4y ago
There's still a couple of universities that offer a "Diplomstudium", e.g. TU Dresden: https://tu-dresden.de/ing/studium/studienangebot https://tu-dresden.de/ing/studium/studienangebot.

jaclaz 4y ago

I remember (many years ago, so it may be obsolete info) that there was some difference with a "Diplom Ingenieur", or at least I knew a few german Civil Engineers that took some pride in the "Diplom" part.

PabloSichert 4y ago

> and studying computer science doesn't grant you the title of "Ingenieur" anyway That's not correct. E.g., consider the relevant section in the Bavarian engineering law[1] (using Google Translate): > The job title engineer alone or in a word combination may use, > (1) Anyone who has successfully completed an undergraduate degree at a state or state-recognized German university > a) in a technical-scientific subject, > b) which has a standard period of study of at least six full-time semesters and with which at least 180 points can be acquired using the ECTS system and > c) in which the areas of mathematics, computer science, natural sciences and technology predominate; this requirement does not apply to people who have completed an undergraduate degree in industrial engineering and only use the professional title in the word combination industrial engineer Further, my diploma for a Bachelor's in Computer Science from TUM contains the passage: > The graduate is entitled to employ the designation Engineer alone or as part of a compound word. [1] https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayIngG2016-2 https://www.gesetze-bayern.de/Content/Document/BayIngG2016-2