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Incredible, how openly twitter gas-lights users when it comes to policy enforcement.

rhaksw 4y ago
All platforms secretly action content, not just Twitter. See my other comment listing some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
I mean, that's not news, is it? Virtually every social network does that (even HN shadow bans people). (Not saying it's right, only unsurprising.)
- nathanaldensr 4y ago
  If you defined "that" in "every social network does that" for HN and the other major social media sites, you'd realize just how different the definitions are. The differences matter.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  It's surprising when you see it happen to your own content. Check out the reactions from people whose content has been secretly moderated that I quote here [1] These aren't far right or left, it's everyone. Likely all of us have been secretly moderated at some point without our knowledge. When I discovered this happening on the platform I used, I built a tool to let me know when it happened, and I published that tool for others to use. Now it sees 500k users per month. Similar tools could be built for all other sites that do this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519
- remarkEon 4y ago
  > even HN shadow bans people HN also gives you an option to see this content in your account settings (showdead = yes).
  - XorNot 4y ago
    That's different to letting the person it was done too see it.
    - remarkEon 4y ago
      Fair. It would be trivial to add this functionality, I would assume.
forgingahead 4y ago
Not to mention the commenters here as well: "There's no evidence people and tweets are being suppressed" <Shows Evidence with receipts> "This is old news, nothing new here." Is there a mailing list where these things are coordinated? I remember there was JournoList in the late 2000s, so is there a new one for internet commenters of a certain political persuasion? How do they get the talking points memo?
- nkozyra 4y ago
  > "There's no evidence people and tweets are being suppressed" Wait, where is this one? I'm sorry, but it doesn't take coordination to know that shadowbans exist. It's spoken openly on Twitter, there are tools to test accounts, etc. It's not surprising because it's open knowledge. No political persuasion necessary to be in the know here.
  - aidenn0 4y ago
    I bet a large fraction of HN didn't know anything about Twitter's moderation; this is normal. I also bet a large fraction of HN did know.
    - nkozyra 4y ago
      > I bet a large fraction of HN didn't know anything about Twitter's moderation; this is normal. I also bet a large fraction of HN did know. I'm sure this is true. But the claim is that there's some politically-inclined motivation to it all.
  - Epitom3 4y ago
    > Twitter denied that it does such things. In 2018, Twitter's Vijaya Gadde (then Head of Legal Policy and Trust) and Kayvon Beykpour (Head of Product) said: “We do not shadow ban.” They added: “And we certainly don’t shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology.”
- transcriptase 4y ago

All platforms secretly action content, not just Twitter. See my other comment listing some: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916414

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

I mean, that's not news, is it? Virtually every social network does that (even HN shadow bans people). (Not saying it's right, only unsurprising.)

nathanaldensr 4y ago
If you defined "that" in "every social network does that" for HN and the other major social media sites, you'd realize just how different the definitions are. The differences matter.
rhaksw 4y ago
It's surprising when you see it happen to your own content. Check out the reactions from people whose content has been secretly moderated that I quote here [1] These aren't far right or left, it's everyone. Likely all of us have been secretly moderated at some point without our knowledge. When I discovered this happening on the platform I used, I built a tool to let me know when it happened, and I published that tool for others to use. Now it sees 500k users per month. Similar tools could be built for all other sites that do this. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33916519
remarkEon 4y ago
> even HN shadow bans people HN also gives you an option to see this content in your account settings (showdead = yes).
- XorNot 4y ago
  That's different to letting the person it was done too see it.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    Fair. It would be trivial to add this functionality, I would assume.

forgingahead 4y ago

Not to mention the commenters here as well: "There's no evidence people and tweets are being suppressed" <Shows Evidence with receipts> "This is old news, nothing new here." Is there a mailing list where these things are coordinated? I remember there was JournoList in the late 2000s, so is there a new one for internet commenters of a certain political persuasion? How do they get the talking points memo?

nkozyra 4y ago
> "There's no evidence people and tweets are being suppressed" Wait, where is this one? I'm sorry, but it doesn't take coordination to know that shadowbans exist. It's spoken openly on Twitter, there are tools to test accounts, etc. It's not surprising because it's open knowledge. No political persuasion necessary to be in the know here.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  I bet a large fraction of HN didn't know anything about Twitter's moderation; this is normal. I also bet a large fraction of HN did know.
  - nkozyra 4y ago
    > I bet a large fraction of HN didn't know anything about Twitter's moderation; this is normal. I also bet a large fraction of HN did know. I'm sure this is true. But the claim is that there's some politically-inclined motivation to it all.
- Epitom3 4y ago
  > Twitter denied that it does such things. In 2018, Twitter's Vijaya Gadde (then Head of Legal Policy and Trust) and Kayvon Beykpour (Head of Product) said: “We do not shadow ban.” They added: “And we certainly don’t shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology.”
transcriptase 4y ago