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Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill
- toomuchtodo 4y ago> A similar Australian law, which took effect in March 2021 after talks with the big tech firms led to a brief shutdown of Facebook news feeds in the country, has largely worked, a government report said.
- shapefrog 4y ago> led to a brief shutdown of Facebook news feeds > the country, has largely worked, a government report said nothing of value was lost
- kmlx 4y agoi still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-google-agrees-new-deal-to-pay-french-publishers-for-news-content https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of action then these companies should close down their local offices. google/fb can afford to make less money, and in this case they should.
- braingenious 4y agoI don’t follow what you’re saying. Can you elaborate on the “shoulds” here? What principles are so important that giant corporations should leave money on the table to rightfully uphold them?
- kmlx 4y agolinks and the nature of the internet. if i post a link to a news site on this forum, should the forum pay the news site for the traffic the news site gets? of course not.
- braingenious 4y agoI wasn’t aware that every news article in the Facebook news feed was user submitted content. I for some reason was under the impression that there was some degree of automated aggregation involved.
- chownie 4y agoGoogle displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites. If Google want to use the content rather than just link to it then I think compensation is fair.
- djbebs 4y agoThe content is uncopyrightable...
- chownie 4y agoNo, the facts aren't copyrightable, the literal text is absolutely copyrightable.
- mccorrinall 4y agoIf they don’t want to be spidered maybe just use robots.txt They can’t have both: exposure AND content only available on their platform
- chownie 4y agoCan you expand on that? Should Google have rights to use any of your content if you allow spidering? Including for commercial gain?
- mccorrinall 4y agoYes and yes. It’s okay to crawl a site and show the meta tags like short description, title, author etc. Why should it be illegal?
- kmlx 4y ago> Google displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites. no, the real issue here is that news sites had their business model broken for the past 20 years. they don’t know how to fix it. they are now click baiting machines. which is deepening their broken business models as trust in them is gone. this new scheme is them gasping for revenue.
- seanhunter 4y agoWho would be banning the news orgs in countries where the government is captured by them? That captive government? Why is the public interest best served by the government siding with google/facebook etc over the news orgs themselves?
- kmlx 4y ago> Who would be banning the news orgs in countries where the government is captured by them? That captive government? google and fb should be banning their news sites in countries where governments are captured. > Why is the public interest best served by the government siding with google/facebook etc over the news orgs themselves? the governments would not be siding with google/facebook but with the public. there is no public interest best served by breaking the nature of linking on the internet.
- mkoryak 4y agoNext can they remove ads that look like posts and have taken over 80% of the feed
- j33zusjuice 4y agoGonna be a hard no on that one. Sorry, champ.
- animitronix 4y agoI fail to see any problem here. A newsless Facebook 100% sounds like a win.
- specialist 4y agoYup. Their news feed is just an algorithmic hate machine. Facebook was almost ideal (conceptually) beforehand. My future perfect social media is persistent chat for friends and family. I just want to see babies, puppies, weddings, funerals, holidays, and all the other important life events of my nearest and dearest.
- hn_version_0023 4y agoMy family accomplishes that with a group chats in Messages on our iPhones, and shared albums from Photos, again, iPhones. I don't think any of us use anything else at this point.
- yrgulation 4y agoFunny but this might save facebook. Going back to pictures of food and cats might make people return to that platform.
- anjel 4y agoGoogle and Facebook have incrementally destryed the fourth estate for decades so that's quite the flex claiming newspapers actually are grateful for Meta's "beneficence."
- hatenberg 4y agoThey are bluffing. Despite fake metrics to the contrary, news drives vast amount of secondary engagement on their platform and removing the news tab would not remove the regulatory effect (news still happen in feed) Worse for them it would harm republicans who rely on the radicalization engine and will respond to it in a hostile way. they are bluffing.