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> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speec

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. They recently unbanned many controversial accounts based solely on Twitter polls. Who do they expect will believe these statements?

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threeseed 4y ago
Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist. All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service.
- UncleOxidant 4y ago
  > Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist. Is there a source on that? Because if so, holy crap... but I'd like to see some evidence.
  - threeseed 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 And note how Musk through simply engaging with these people gives endorsement to this ridiculous and baseless link between pedophiles and left-wing accounts.
  - DoctorOW 4y ago
    Looks to be the same source as was used in a sibling comment further up https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
- josteink 4y ago
  > Antifa accounts. … All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service. Are we talking about the same Antifa? Political terrorists, violently attacking civilians for having opposing beliefs? If inciting real-world political violence and terror is not against the TOS, why were supposedly all those right wingers banned?
  - KerrAvon 4y ago
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    - jasonlotito 4y ago
      He can't provide it. He's failing in all regards with this "argument" and he knows it doesn't hold water.
    - zaroth 4y ago
      The antifa fueled BLM riots were some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history. The national guard was called out in dozens of cities during these months long protests… Portland and Seattle were basically under siege. City blocks were literally occupied for many days leading to inability of police and medical services to respond on those areas. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
      - UncleMeat 4y ago
        > some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history Stunning that anybody could believe this.
        willcipriano 4y ago
        Over a billion dollars in damage, the most expensive in history. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
- TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
  > All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service. [CITATION NEEDED] Musk said they were in "clear violation of ToS." I want to see both the pro- and the anti- on that before passing judgement on the move. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969
CameronNemo 4y ago
And banned accounts when fringe far right "journalists" complained about them. https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
- josteink 4y ago
  So banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… But banning antifa-accounts, that is accounts held by people taking part in month long riots and looting and political real-world violence… that is bad? Is this satire? Is this an honestly held opinion? Or am I missing something?
  - shakezula 4y ago
    This is a false premise. Without understanding why each account was banned and what infraction was cited we can't make a clear comparison or judgment about either case. Otherwise it's just more outrage-porn.
  - stonogo 4y ago
    Where are the month-long antifa riots?
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    > Sp banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… Maybe! Being part of a group that also holds certain opinions isn't really relevant to whether expressing those opinions violates a policy. But which opinions did you have in mind? Here have an extremely relevant tweet. https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744 https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174...
    - fundad 4y ago
      "LOL no...no not those views" pure gold
  - threeseed 4y ago
QuantumGood 4y ago
On November 23, Twitter stopped enforcing its "COVID-19 misleading information" policy. The previous policy received acclaim from medical professionals: In an advisory to technology platforms, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy cited Twitter’s rules as an example of what companies should do to combat misinformation. When journalist Kara Swisher in September 2020 confronted Musk with the possibility that many people could die if they didn’t follow public health recommendations, the man who believes he is making cars safer and saving mankind by going to Mars replied bluntly: “Everybody dies.” The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  Well know we know why they kept the covid policy and just aren't enforcing it [1]. They knew they were writing this blog post! [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789456
- haliskerbas 4y ago
  Elon cares more about money than actual people living today
- kmeisthax 4y ago
  >The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today. This is what Longtermists actually believe.
- deleted 4y ago
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williamsmj 4y ago
> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. This is bullshit on its face. The first sentence and the second sentence directly contradict each other.
- guywithahat 4y ago
  I think they're referring to their legal policy (like the one you sign with twitter when you sign up), and there's no reason that would have had to change for the changes he's implemented.
guywithahat 4y ago
The policy has catch all clauses in it (like "we can do what we want whenever") to avoid lawsuits, so if they ban people who otherwise aren't explicitly in violation of a policy it's easy to unban them without changing policy.

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threeseed 4y ago

Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist. All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service.

UncleOxidant 4y ago
> Musk also asked people to report suspected Antifa accounts to Andy Ngo a right-wing conservative journalist. Is there a source on that? Because if so, holy crap... but I'd like to see some evidence.
- threeseed 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 And note how Musk through simply engaging with these people gives endorsement to this ridiculous and baseless link between pedophiles and left-wing accounts.
- DoctorOW 4y ago
  Looks to be the same source as was used in a sibling comment further up https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...
josteink 4y ago
> Antifa accounts. … All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service. Are we talking about the same Antifa? Political terrorists, violently attacking civilians for having opposing beliefs? If inciting real-world political violence and terror is not against the TOS, why were supposedly all those right wingers banned?
- KerrAvon 4y ago
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  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    He can't provide it. He's failing in all regards with this "argument" and he knows it doesn't hold water.
  - zaroth 4y ago
    The antifa fueled BLM riots were some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history. The national guard was called out in dozens of cities during these months long protests… Portland and Seattle were basically under siege. City blocks were literally occupied for many days leading to inability of police and medical services to respond on those areas. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
    - UncleMeat 4y ago
      > some of the most damaging riots in the country’s history Stunning that anybody could believe this.
      - willcipriano 4y ago
        Over a billion dollars in damage, the most expensive in history. https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage https://www.axios.com/2020/09/16/riots-cost-property-damage
TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
> All of whom have now been suspended despite there being no infringement on terms of service. [CITATION NEEDED] Musk said they were in "clear violation of ToS." I want to see both the pro- and the anti- on that before passing judgement on the move. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596071799410003969

CameronNemo 4y ago

And banned accounts when fringe far right "journalists" complained about them. https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-ngo-antifascist/ https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...

josteink 4y ago
So banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… But banning antifa-accounts, that is accounts held by people taking part in month long riots and looting and political real-world violence… that is bad? Is this satire? Is this an honestly held opinion? Or am I missing something?
- shakezula 4y ago
  This is a false premise. Without understanding why each account was banned and what infraction was cited we can't make a clear comparison or judgment about either case. Otherwise it's just more outrage-porn.
- stonogo 4y ago
  Where are the month-long antifa riots?
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  > Sp banning right wing users for having right wing opinions are OK… Maybe! Being part of a group that also holds certain opinions isn't really relevant to whether expressing those opinions violates a policy. But which opinions did you have in mind? Here have an extremely relevant tweet. https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744 https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174...
  - fundad 4y ago
    "LOL no...no not those views" pure gold
- threeseed 4y ago

QuantumGood 4y ago

On November 23, Twitter stopped enforcing its "COVID-19 misleading information" policy. The previous policy received acclaim from medical professionals: In an advisory to technology platforms, US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy cited Twitter’s rules as an example of what companies should do to combat misinformation. When journalist Kara Swisher in September 2020 confronted Musk with the possibility that many people could die if they didn’t follow public health recommendations, the man who believes he is making cars safer and saving mankind by going to Mars replied bluntly: “Everybody dies.” The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today.

lesuorac 4y ago
Well know we know why they kept the covid policy and just aren't enforcing it [1]. They knew they were writing this blog post! [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789456 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33789456
haliskerbas 4y ago
Elon cares more about money than actual people living today
kmeisthax 4y ago
>The argument could be made that Elon cares more about virtual, future people than actual people living today. This is what Longtermists actually believe.
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williamsmj 4y ago

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. This is bullshit on its face. The first sentence and the second sentence directly contradict each other.

guywithahat 4y ago
I think they're referring to their legal policy (like the one you sign with twitter when you sign up), and there's no reason that would have had to change for the changes he's implemented.

guywithahat 4y ago

The policy has catch all clauses in it (like "we can do what we want whenever") to avoid lawsuits, so if they ban people who otherwise aren't explicitly in violation of a policy it's easy to unban them without changing policy.