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We want to be green so we're trying to stop drilling for oil. But we also need oil because our society runs on it. This guy has oil. This guy can therefore d

We want to be green so we're trying to stop drilling for oil. But we also need oil because our society runs on it. This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. This is obviously way better than drilling at home.

chinchilla2020 4y ago
America runs a close import/export balance now for oil. Please stop repeating twitter talking points until they become truth. https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/ https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/
- elecush 4y ago
  why
- hamandcheese 4y ago
  Oil prices abroad affect oil prices at home.
  - redog 4y ago
    I wonder how much cheaper Oil would be if we attacked SA after 911 instead of Iraq.
passion__desire 4y ago
America wants to save its national oil for the really rainy days. Especially when others' oil can be bought by printed money.
- ksidudwbw 4y ago
  That printes money an be exchangwd for real goods though...
cmh89 4y ago
The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. We just don't nationalize it. We give it away to foreign owned oil corporations who then gouge us at the pump.
- lazide 4y ago
  The US is (and has been for a long time), an exporter of refined petroleum products such as Gasoline. In 2021, it also happened to be a net exporter or petroleum overall, but usually it bounces around. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc... Saudi Arabia is key in keeping global energy prices lower by increasing global supply, and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices.
  - LegitShady 4y ago
    >and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices. they were until democrats spent their last two presidencies trying to fund and justify the nuclear research of SA's biggest regional rival who is already funding catspaw wars against SA - Iran. Then when you ask them to lower the price of oil they wonder why you've spent multiple years working against them while coming now to beg for their kindness.
    - comte7092 4y ago
      Saudi is not a reliable or good ally and there’s no reason why the US should favor them over Iran.
      - LegitShady 4y ago
        Iran is not an ally, they're a sworn enemy that the democrats have imagined they can bribe into becoming a friend because they don't understand Iran's motivation is not money but religious ideology. It's the worst kind of political delerium - funding you enemies and your ally's enemies and then wondering why your allies aren't "reliable" - hint its you not being reliable while you're funding their enemies and trying to excuse their nuclear weapon program. Its the US that was a fickle ally.
dmix 4y ago
The most controversial thing in recent times (here in Canada too) isn't even drilling, it's moving oil efficiently over pipelines vs via dirty trucks and busy rail lines. There's much more opportunity for political activism when pipes go over lots of small pieces of land vs drilling one big piece of land.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  Pipelines are notoriously dirty, since the owners can't seem to stop them from leaking, spilling, blowing up, or otherwise malfunctioning. Wikipedia has a handy list of lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_.... If somebody wanted to put an oil pipeline near my property I'd definitely wouldn't feel safe with it there.
  - glogla 4y ago
    It is not that they can't - they just keep more money if they don't. Which shouldn't be surprising in an industry that is literally destroying the world to make money.
    - TremendousJudge 4y ago
      I agree, that's why I said they can't seem to do it.
- mc32 4y ago
  This is what activists fail to understand for ideological reason. Oil will flow, one way or another: be it truck, rail or pipeline. The only thing that would stop the flow is cessation in demand. Which means their efforts would be better used agitating for wind, solar and other renewables.
  - elecush 4y ago
    Activists understand that. What's unreasonable is not adjusting pipeline routes when they destroy livability of areas
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ww-picard-do 4y ago
> This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. The article explains that as head of state internal law grants him immunity.
dfxm12 4y ago
This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. There's lots of guys who had oil who, when they did things the US didn't like, found themselves without anyone to sell oil to, without a country to run or maybe worse. I agree KSA has a special relationship with the US (and much of the west), but it's not just about oil.
adamc 4y ago
Have we no drones to eliminate troublesome Saudis? Reality is that we have lots of tools to address bad actors. There are always consequences, true enough. But it isn't like we haven't used them. In this case, we probably won't, but the Saudis are increasingly more trouble than they are worth.
comte7092 4y ago
Literally just repeating oil industry talking points. The US produces a ton of oil, we also have no export restrictions on oil products, so no matter how much we produce domestically, we are still dependent on the swings of the global market. We get close to no oil from Saudi, yet as the head of the most powerful cartel in the world, they have immense power and influence. No amount of “drill baby drill” is going to change that.

chinchilla2020 4y ago

America runs a close import/export balance now for oil. Please stop repeating twitter talking points until they become truth. https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/ https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/

elecush 4y ago
why
hamandcheese 4y ago
Oil prices abroad affect oil prices at home.
- redog 4y ago
  I wonder how much cheaper Oil would be if we attacked SA after 911 instead of Iraq.

passion__desire 4y ago

America wants to save its national oil for the really rainy days. Especially when others' oil can be bought by printed money.

ksidudwbw 4y ago
That printes money an be exchangwd for real goods though...

cmh89 4y ago

The United States is the largest producer of oil in the world. We just don't nationalize it. We give it away to foreign owned oil corporations who then gouge us at the pump.

lazide 4y ago
The US is (and has been for a long time), an exporter of refined petroleum products such as Gasoline. In 2021, it also happened to be a net exporter or petroleum overall, but usually it bounces around. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-produc... Saudi Arabia is key in keeping global energy prices lower by increasing global supply, and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  >and is also a key ally in a historically unstable region which impacts those prices. they were until democrats spent their last two presidencies trying to fund and justify the nuclear research of SA's biggest regional rival who is already funding catspaw wars against SA - Iran. Then when you ask them to lower the price of oil they wonder why you've spent multiple years working against them while coming now to beg for their kindness.
  - comte7092 4y ago
    Saudi is not a reliable or good ally and there’s no reason why the US should favor them over Iran.
    - LegitShady 4y ago
      Iran is not an ally, they're a sworn enemy that the democrats have imagined they can bribe into becoming a friend because they don't understand Iran's motivation is not money but religious ideology. It's the worst kind of political delerium - funding you enemies and your ally's enemies and then wondering why your allies aren't "reliable" - hint its you not being reliable while you're funding their enemies and trying to excuse their nuclear weapon program. Its the US that was a fickle ally.

dmix 4y ago

The most controversial thing in recent times (here in Canada too) isn't even drilling, it's moving oil efficiently over pipelines vs via dirty trucks and busy rail lines. There's much more opportunity for political activism when pipes go over lots of small pieces of land vs drilling one big piece of land.

TremendousJudge 4y ago
Pipelines are notoriously dirty, since the owners can't seem to stop them from leaking, spilling, blowing up, or otherwise malfunctioning. Wikipedia has a handy list of lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_.... If somebody wanted to put an oil pipeline near my property I'd definitely wouldn't feel safe with it there.
- glogla 4y ago
  It is not that they can't - they just keep more money if they don't. Which shouldn't be surprising in an industry that is literally destroying the world to make money.
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    I agree, that's why I said they can't seem to do it.
mc32 4y ago
This is what activists fail to understand for ideological reason. Oil will flow, one way or another: be it truck, rail or pipeline. The only thing that would stop the flow is cessation in demand. Which means their efforts would be better used agitating for wind, solar and other renewables.
- elecush 4y ago
  Activists understand that. What's unreasonable is not adjusting pipeline routes when they destroy livability of areas

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ww-picard-do 4y ago

> This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. The article explains that as head of state internal law grants him immunity.

dfxm12 4y ago

This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. There's lots of guys who had oil who, when they did things the US didn't like, found themselves without anyone to sell oil to, without a country to run or maybe worse. I agree KSA has a special relationship with the US (and much of the west), but it's not just about oil.

adamc 4y ago

Have we no drones to eliminate troublesome Saudis? Reality is that we have lots of tools to address bad actors. There are always consequences, true enough. But it isn't like we haven't used them. In this case, we probably won't, but the Saudis are increasingly more trouble than they are worth.

comte7092 4y ago

Literally just repeating oil industry talking points. The US produces a ton of oil, we also have no export restrictions on oil products, so no matter how much we produce domestically, we are still dependent on the swings of the global market. We get close to no oil from Saudi, yet as the head of the most powerful cartel in the world, they have immense power and influence. No amount of “drill baby drill” is going to change that.