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this will get buried and everyone on this site will cry about how the industry is all a scam because centralized entities blew up, completely missing how a lot

this will get buried and everyone on this site will cry about how the industry is all a scam because centralized entities blew up, completely missing how a lot of the innovation is happening under the radar and on-chain everyone will get mad, call for more regulation, more innovation will happen offshore/private deals for real innovation will get lapped up and everyone will get mad/wonder why the US didnt get a piece of the industry have fun being late again, hn

ilyt 4y ago
- hi5eyes 4y ago
  if u say so
  - tpxl 4y ago
    Tell us about these innovations (that don't involve scamming people).
    - jedimind 4y ago
      loaded question. there is enough material out there to convince any good faith actor that cryptocurrencies were the breeding ground and driver for innovations in cryptography research and application (zero knowledge proofs, verifiable computations...) and smart contracts which enabled completely trust-less decentralized exchanges. No amount of evidence will convince the bad faith actors who are hellbent on hating crypto regardless of evidence of which there are too many here on hn.
      - tpxl 4y ago
cuteboy19 4y ago
NotYourLawyer 4y ago
Plenty of fraud happens on chain too.
- kelthuzad 4y ago
  Humans are the ones committing fraud for personal gain in traditional finance as well as in crypto. This does not negate the value proposition of crypto even one bit, in fact it strengthens it even more, because proponents have been calling for maximization of trustless open-source auditable smart contracts and minimization of human interference. ftx was a banking failure, not crypto. fraud is and always was illegal, no amount of regulation can prevent that, auditable open-source smart contracts are a good solution imo. I'm so tired of these reddit one liners "but crypto bad" tho, hn should uphold higher standards of conversation
  - NotYourLawyer 4y ago
    Crypto is interesting technically, but it has been an absolute dumpster fire practically.
    - kelthuzad 4y ago
      In what regard? - Scams? Yes, there are lots of scams similar to the early days of the internet where script kiddies could scam people without having special knowledge of computer science, just by downloading some tools with controllable trojans. I remember testing it out back in the days to prank my friends, but it could have been used for actual fraud and as such it was also used. There are many startups now that focus on security for the industry and the auditors are able to catch many problems because of the transparency of open-source. Anybody can read and check the smart contract before using it or trust the auditors, although admittedly there is still a lot of room for a better user experience. -Investing? Stocks were hit similar or even harder, Facebook for instance is down -75% YTD, Peloton is done whopping -95%(!) from ATH, many more such cases. I find it kind of strange that people unfairly point at crypto while traditional finance is guilty of the same or even worse, remember the SPAC grift? People really need to actually do their due diligence - if they don't, can they really blame anyone except themselves? Me personally, I find crypto to be an exciting driver for innovations in cryptography research and seeing its actual implementation working in live projects, especially ZK + verifiable computation related stuff. Most of it is working remarkably well _today_ although there is a lot of room for improvement (esp UI/UX wise), I am quite optimistic for the future.

ilyt 4y ago

hi5eyes 4y ago
if u say so
- tpxl 4y ago
  Tell us about these innovations (that don't involve scamming people).
  - jedimind 4y ago
    loaded question. there is enough material out there to convince any good faith actor that cryptocurrencies were the breeding ground and driver for innovations in cryptography research and application (zero knowledge proofs, verifiable computations...) and smart contracts which enabled completely trust-less decentralized exchanges. No amount of evidence will convince the bad faith actors who are hellbent on hating crypto regardless of evidence of which there are too many here on hn.
    - tpxl 4y ago

cuteboy19 4y ago

NotYourLawyer 4y ago

Plenty of fraud happens on chain too.

kelthuzad 4y ago
Humans are the ones committing fraud for personal gain in traditional finance as well as in crypto. This does not negate the value proposition of crypto even one bit, in fact it strengthens it even more, because proponents have been calling for maximization of trustless open-source auditable smart contracts and minimization of human interference. ftx was a banking failure, not crypto. fraud is and always was illegal, no amount of regulation can prevent that, auditable open-source smart contracts are a good solution imo. I'm so tired of these reddit one liners "but crypto bad" tho, hn should uphold higher standards of conversation
- NotYourLawyer 4y ago
  Crypto is interesting technically, but it has been an absolute dumpster fire practically.
  - kelthuzad 4y ago
    In what regard? - Scams? Yes, there are lots of scams similar to the early days of the internet where script kiddies could scam people without having special knowledge of computer science, just by downloading some tools with controllable trojans. I remember testing it out back in the days to prank my friends, but it could have been used for actual fraud and as such it was also used. There are many startups now that focus on security for the industry and the auditors are able to catch many problems because of the transparency of open-source. Anybody can read and check the smart contract before using it or trust the auditors, although admittedly there is still a lot of room for a better user experience. -Investing? Stocks were hit similar or even harder, Facebook for instance is down -75% YTD, Peloton is done whopping -95%(!) from ATH, many more such cases. I find it kind of strange that people unfairly point at crypto while traditional finance is guilty of the same or even worse, remember the SPAC grift? People really need to actually do their due diligence - if they don't, can they really blame anyone except themselves? Me personally, I find crypto to be an exciting driver for innovations in cryptography research and seeing its actual implementation working in live projects, especially ZK + verifiable computation related stuff. Most of it is working remarkably well _today_ although there is a lot of room for improvement (esp UI/UX wise), I am quite optimistic for the future.