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I’m always surprised when there are still people acting like Elon isn’t just BEGGING to be hated. I’m still of the opinion he is not doing the work and his suc

I’m always surprised when there are still people acting like Elon isn’t just BEGGING to be hated. I’m still of the opinion he is not doing the work and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers. That’s a smart thing to do, good call on his part, but it’s almost like he doesn’t know that’s how his companies work. Maybe he is just great at running tech companies or something but acting like the media/everyday people hate him for no reason is just dishonest.

torginus 4y ago
If that's all he is doing - paying smart people and expecting them to work hard - why isn't literally everyone else doing the same?
- p1necone 4y ago
  It might have something to do with the paying bit.
- code_runner 4y ago
  My theory is that getting smart people to make twitter vs landing reusable rocket boosters… will yield VERY different levels of passion/interest. Which again is FINE. Personally, I just wanna do cool stuff and have a great work/life balance. I don’t want to (and don’t have the expertise to) land a rocket booster. I guess… not everyone’s problem domains are interesting enough to lure a team like space-x etc. again, I don’t like him, but credit to Elon for at least trying to solve these tough problems. Just admit FSD isn’t a year away!
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  I don’t agree with them, but this counter argument doesn’t quite work. In a system with x% chance of success, we’d expect most people to fail for small x. But some few will still succeed multiple times. Throw in that your odds get better the more you’re successful, and it’s classic survivorship bias.
  - code_runner 4y ago
    I think it’s not binary one way or the other. Companies don’t have to be profitable to be successful. A charismatic leader + lofty goals (FSD, rockets, flame throwers) and you’ll get a ton of money even if you never turn a profit. Let’s not forget the tunnels I’m Vegas btw. They aren’t all winners.
- galangalalgol 4y ago
  Because it is hard to trust those you hand your money to and not get in the way by checking in too often. Also, not every passionate engineer should be trusted that much. Being able to spot those that are passionate about what you want done, while simultaneously being both competent and trustworthy is a skill that will make you very wealthy, and almost no one has it consistently. A success or three may show that he is one of those people. Or that he is survivorship bias waiting for a reality check. I don't know how to tell, or I would be quite wealthy as well.
- bsder 4y ago
  Aerospace had a lot of overqualified, underutilized engineers that were spectacularly easy to tap into with a little bit of extra money and a very interesting project. That does not hold for Twitter. There is no magic clump of overqualified, underutilized people to tap into without throwing LOTS of money around. On top of that, Twitter mostly isn't that interesting.
  - cavisne 4y ago
    He could probably make it interesting though. At the moment there is a magic clump of such people, large language model experts from big tech who have left because they got sick of not being able to apply the technology. They are currently floating around in various startups, but we are entering a tough market for VC funding. Twitter can offer hardware, data and a culture of shipping.
- iamdbtoo 4y ago
  Because success at that scale eventually requires you to exploit some percentage of your employees and most people are not ok with that.
- serf 4y ago
  > paying smart people and expecting them to work hard - why isn't literally everyone else doing the same? is that a real question that expects an answer , or one of those 'SV-Wisdom from-on-high' sentences? Here's an easy practical answer that will fit 95% of the responses : I don't have the money to hire a lot of experts to execute my ideas, nor do I have the familial or business connections in order to facilitate the loans needed.
  - fsdjkflsjfsoij 4y ago
    > I don't have the money to hire a lot of experts to execute my ideas, nor do I have the familial or business connections in order to facilitate the loans needed. There are lots of people that have those things and are still not a tiny fraction as successful. Most people could be given all of those things and they'd quickly waste them all in a spectacular fashion. Often the people that are the loudest on this issue don't even have their own absolutely trivial finances in order.
darawk 4y ago
How many rich people and fund managers around the world have been throwing money at engineers they thought were smart for the past several decades? How many have succeeded on the scale Elon has? "Throwing money at smart engineers" is not a novel idea. Executing it well is extremely hard, especially when cash has been cheap for the past two decades.
- code_runner 4y ago
  I responded to another with something similar… Throwing money at people and saying “I want these charts to be customizable” vs “let’s land a rocket booster, it’s ok if a few blow up, we can test it live” will get VERY different levels of passion/expertise
- georgeg23 4y ago
  The mastermind behind SpaceX is not Elon. It's this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career He gave Elon the ideas, initial team, govt connections, contracts, etc.. Elon was the company jester. Rocket landing work was taken from the DC-X
  - mirekrusin 4y ago
    Why there has to be "one mastermind guy"? It seems safe to say that you need to dovetail at least dozens of people to have successful rocket launching, well, startup?
    - georgeg23 4y ago
      Tom Mueller (recruited by Mike Griffin) also deserves credit. SpaceX hasn't built a reliable rocket engine since Tom left. But Mike probably was #1 reason for SpaceX success.
      - mirekrusin 4y ago
        It's hard to argue that SpaceX wouldn't happen without Elon's mom.
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hutzlibu 4y ago
"I’m still of the opinion he is not doing the work and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers. " To me it seems, his success comes from being an engineer himself and wanting to get shit done and kick people until shit gets done in a working way. And yes that includes throwing money at smart engineers, but to do this, you have to be smart and have domain knowledge to do so. The problem started, when he got too much success and lost touch with the ground of reality. The twitter chat logs are quite interesting. https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#3 https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#3 In general they show that it was indeed a bit more than a high idea, to which it was reduced around many places. Still, a funny quote from Elon: "Frankly, I hate doing mgmt stuff. I kinda don't think anyone should be the boss of anyone. But I love helping solve technical/product design problems." I think he means it. But of course it is BS, when he is in fact the boss of so many people and making them burn out for productivity in various ways.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  You sound very conflicted. I can see like at least two places where you directly contradict yourself. You have to learn what people say and what people do are very different. Elon Musk is a bullshitter and narcissist. It's time to stop listening and believing anything he has to say. Otherwise they'll keep dragging you in and you'll keep finding reasons to give them another chance.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    I am not really conflicted, I can respect his achievements without negating the downsides or the narcistic, egomanic "BS". I thought I made that clear, with labeling it as "BS".
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      I respect his achievements about as much as I respect any corrupt company that has had success by having money to spend and people willing to work for them to pay their rent. While many people chose to work for Musk because they believed in a formidable mission.. I don't believe that will be the case for much longer. I truly think he is now acting out of desperation as he's seeing a large downward trend that has him on edge.
blfr 4y ago
his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers That's even more damning for his detractors since they could have been doing the same but instead sneer from the sidelines.
- trident5000 4y ago
  A certain % of the population are clinical narcissists, which is a massive amount nominally online. And narcissists cant stand when other people are successful. I'm convinced thats who these people are.
fsdjkflsjfsoij 4y ago
> and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers Doing that with this level of success in these domains is extremely rare and even more important. In most cases, the investors are far more important than the workers.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  Eh. I dislike Elon, BUT being able to efficiently allocate resources and identify an opportunity and/or valuable employee, who is more than just talk is a valuable skill that surprisingly few people have.
  - ahallock 4y ago
    Yeah, people have different roles and talents. The face of the company does get most of the praise and fame, but that's true of nearly every organization I can think of.
kiba 4y ago
He's definitely the 'chief engineer' of his companies in that he made engineering decisions, but to pretend that somehow means he does ALL the engineering work and grunt works is a very silly notion. But yes, there's indeed the thousand of engineers and technicians doing the work. He even credits them for making his dream possible! I don't know why people think he's not doing the work. Have they actually read interviews and books? The books I read does not paint him in a very flattering light people-wise. It's also possible to be simultaneously an egoistic asshole, genius, having actual skills, being a money man and visionary leader, People act as if a person who's a jackass can't have positive traits or vice versa.
noslenwerdna 4y ago
Ok, but how is it dishonest? That seems really out of whack with the rest of your post and kind of ranty.
- code_runner 4y ago
  Acting like Elon hasn’t given people legit reasons to dislike him? Anybody is allowed to overlook the flaws he has but you shouldn’t ignore them outright. I’d actually argue he was the darling of the tech world for a while and his awful personality has eroded that over the last handful of years.
HillRat 4y ago
Musk's skills are pretty domain-specific and not, I think, transferable. He really excels at: 1. Choosing hard (and inspiring) problems that decompose down to a series of relatively linear engineering challenges; 2. Getting large amounts of investment money from the market or government sources to fund development; 3. Yelling at engineers to solve problems (and remaining close enough to engineering to identify the specific problems to yell about), often through overwork, while keeping the core mission inspiring enough to reduce churn; 4. Cutting corners in order to productionize faster than more risk-conscious competitors. In other words, Musk is very good at steering organizations through certain kinds of complicated challenges. But he's also terrible at complex challenges, where the path isn't linear and yelling at engineers isn't enough to unstick the process, or where cutting corners is going to be disfavored by the market or by regulators. Twitter is by its nature a horribly complex, poorly-understood, highly-dynamic complex system that will react unpredictably to any interaction. The decisions Musk needs to make aren't engineering-based (except when it comes to slashing staff and yelling at the survivors to work harder), but open-ocean strategy: product design; market fit; and playing nice with the userbase, high-profile accounts, and advertisers. Unfortunately, Musk has never demonstrated an ability to succeed in these areas -- consider SolarCity, which held a commanding lead early on, but had to be acquired by Tesla due to debt and growth problems, and has fallen to a tiny fraction of the market due to poor sales strategy and customer complaints. Add on the fact that he has a very narrow critical path to profitability (he bought a barely-profitable entity and loaded it up with a cool $1bn/year in debt payments that will need to come out of expenses), and there's more than can go wrong at Twitter than right. Beyond that, Musk's problem with Twitter is simply that he looked at his social media experience and assumed that it was reflective of Twitter's userbase as a whole. But the alt-right instigators, bots, crypto-enthusiasts, and general (to be frank) weirdos that developed a parasocial relationship with his account are a tiny fraction of a fraction of Twitter's population; even if we consider "political" Twitter as a whole, it's tiny, just loud since it's populated by people with media megaphones. Most Twitter users have much more normal hobbies: sports, pop culture, videogames, whatever, and with Musk catering to his followers (who he seems to think are much bigger and more valuable than they are), their experiences are likely to get a lot worse. So unless he's willing to act more like a normal social media mogul -- aggressively mute the communities that create undesirable experiences for other users, turn down the personality volume on public communications, and suck up to the ad agencies and advertisers who keep the lights on -- I don't expect Twitter to get more successful.
comboy 4y ago
> his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers This meme is on fire but I did not expect it here on HN where people can understand what he is talking about. There are many videos like this [1] and interviews (e.g. with Munro regarding Tesla) where the guy shows deep technical knowledge. Besides, try making a startup throwing money and smart engineers. Just money will not even get you the really good ones. People who have a choice don't work for morons. I mean, sure, there's plenty to hate (there was much more to hate about say Columbus, Gandhi or Ford), but if we were dismissing achievements of people who give others good reasons to hate them we wouldn't have calculus. Let's try to let people stand out without gaslighting them if they are doing some great things. There are many people who smell real bad, are a*holes, have really weird opinions on some topics and were necessary for us to be able to write these comments here. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw
- Salgat 4y ago
  He doesn't have deep knowledge, he a broad high level understanding of the technologies and processes used at his company. In the interview you can see how he's aware of what the major components are supposed to do, but he'd be completely useless if you told him to do the engineering design and analysis behind it. Which is perfectly fine, that's how it's supposed to be as a CEO.
- intothemild 4y ago
  Did you just compare Musk to Ghandi and Ford?
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arise 4y ago
Just to extend this, there are a large number of plausibly legitimate reasons people might hate Musk. Maybe you're stuck in Tesla service hell, or maybe you retired to Boca Chica and now have to deal with rocket noise and road closures. Maybe you're an environmentalist who doesn't like to see a launch facilities next to a wildlife preserve. Maybe you're a Tesla employee who was injured due to company negligence. Maybe you're a Neuralink researcher who is embarrassed over Musk's absurdly fantastical claims about what your technology can do. Maybe you founded a visionary electric car company only to see it sabatoged and taken over by Musk and have him launch your vehicle into space. Maybe you're a stressed out worker at any of Musk's companies who resents his demands for a work/life imbalance. Maybe you're a market trader who lost money due to Musk's fraudulent "funding secured" tweet. Maybe you're uncomfortable with the constant stream of vaporware, dumb ideas, and bogus dates issued by a false messiah preying on the technological optimism of your fellow nerds. Or maybe you're just an American who is tired of seeing bullshit artists wag the dog, behave illegal and unethically, and never be held to account for their actions. There are many good things one might say about Musk, but don't pretend there aren't any bad things.

torginus 4y ago

If that's all he is doing - paying smart people and expecting them to work hard - why isn't literally everyone else doing the same?

p1necone 4y ago
It might have something to do with the paying bit.
code_runner 4y ago
My theory is that getting smart people to make twitter vs landing reusable rocket boosters… will yield VERY different levels of passion/interest. Which again is FINE. Personally, I just wanna do cool stuff and have a great work/life balance. I don’t want to (and don’t have the expertise to) land a rocket booster. I guess… not everyone’s problem domains are interesting enough to lure a team like space-x etc. again, I don’t like him, but credit to Elon for at least trying to solve these tough problems. Just admit FSD isn’t a year away!
sillysaurusx 4y ago
I don’t agree with them, but this counter argument doesn’t quite work. In a system with x% chance of success, we’d expect most people to fail for small x. But some few will still succeed multiple times. Throw in that your odds get better the more you’re successful, and it’s classic survivorship bias.
- code_runner 4y ago
  I think it’s not binary one way or the other. Companies don’t have to be profitable to be successful. A charismatic leader + lofty goals (FSD, rockets, flame throwers) and you’ll get a ton of money even if you never turn a profit. Let’s not forget the tunnels I’m Vegas btw. They aren’t all winners.
galangalalgol 4y ago
Because it is hard to trust those you hand your money to and not get in the way by checking in too often. Also, not every passionate engineer should be trusted that much. Being able to spot those that are passionate about what you want done, while simultaneously being both competent and trustworthy is a skill that will make you very wealthy, and almost no one has it consistently. A success or three may show that he is one of those people. Or that he is survivorship bias waiting for a reality check. I don't know how to tell, or I would be quite wealthy as well.
bsder 4y ago
Aerospace had a lot of overqualified, underutilized engineers that were spectacularly easy to tap into with a little bit of extra money and a very interesting project. That does not hold for Twitter. There is no magic clump of overqualified, underutilized people to tap into without throwing LOTS of money around. On top of that, Twitter mostly isn't that interesting.
- cavisne 4y ago
  He could probably make it interesting though. At the moment there is a magic clump of such people, large language model experts from big tech who have left because they got sick of not being able to apply the technology. They are currently floating around in various startups, but we are entering a tough market for VC funding. Twitter can offer hardware, data and a culture of shipping.
iamdbtoo 4y ago
Because success at that scale eventually requires you to exploit some percentage of your employees and most people are not ok with that.
serf 4y ago
> paying smart people and expecting them to work hard - why isn't literally everyone else doing the same? is that a real question that expects an answer , or one of those 'SV-Wisdom from-on-high' sentences? Here's an easy practical answer that will fit 95% of the responses : I don't have the money to hire a lot of experts to execute my ideas, nor do I have the familial or business connections in order to facilitate the loans needed.
- fsdjkflsjfsoij 4y ago
  > I don't have the money to hire a lot of experts to execute my ideas, nor do I have the familial or business connections in order to facilitate the loans needed. There are lots of people that have those things and are still not a tiny fraction as successful. Most people could be given all of those things and they'd quickly waste them all in a spectacular fashion. Often the people that are the loudest on this issue don't even have their own absolutely trivial finances in order.

darawk 4y ago

How many rich people and fund managers around the world have been throwing money at engineers they thought were smart for the past several decades? How many have succeeded on the scale Elon has? "Throwing money at smart engineers" is not a novel idea. Executing it well is extremely hard, especially when cash has been cheap for the past two decades.

code_runner 4y ago
I responded to another with something similar… Throwing money at people and saying “I want these charts to be customizable” vs “let’s land a rocket booster, it’s ok if a few blow up, we can test it live” will get VERY different levels of passion/expertise
georgeg23 4y ago
The mastermind behind SpaceX is not Elon. It's this guy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career He gave Elon the ideas, initial team, govt connections, contracts, etc.. Elon was the company jester. Rocket landing work was taken from the DC-X
- mirekrusin 4y ago
  Why there has to be "one mastermind guy"? It seems safe to say that you need to dovetail at least dozens of people to have successful rocket launching, well, startup?
  - georgeg23 4y ago
    Tom Mueller (recruited by Mike Griffin) also deserves credit. SpaceX hasn't built a reliable rocket engine since Tom left. But Mike probably was #1 reason for SpaceX success.
    - mirekrusin 4y ago
      It's hard to argue that SpaceX wouldn't happen without Elon's mom.

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hutzlibu 4y ago

"I’m still of the opinion he is not doing the work and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers. " To me it seems, his success comes from being an engineer himself and wanting to get shit done and kick people until shit gets done in a working way. And yes that includes throwing money at smart engineers, but to do this, you have to be smart and have domain knowledge to do so. The problem started, when he got too much success and lost touch with the ground of reality. The twitter chat logs are quite interesting. https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#3 https://danluu.com/elon-twitter-texts/#3 In general they show that it was indeed a bit more than a high idea, to which it was reduced around many places. Still, a funny quote from Elon: "Frankly, I hate doing mgmt stuff. I kinda don't think anyone should be the boss of anyone. But I love helping solve technical/product design problems." I think he means it. But of course it is BS, when he is in fact the boss of so many people and making them burn out for productivity in various ways.

encryptluks2 4y ago
You sound very conflicted. I can see like at least two places where you directly contradict yourself. You have to learn what people say and what people do are very different. Elon Musk is a bullshitter and narcissist. It's time to stop listening and believing anything he has to say. Otherwise they'll keep dragging you in and you'll keep finding reasons to give them another chance.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  I am not really conflicted, I can respect his achievements without negating the downsides or the narcistic, egomanic "BS". I thought I made that clear, with labeling it as "BS".
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    I respect his achievements about as much as I respect any corrupt company that has had success by having money to spend and people willing to work for them to pay their rent. While many people chose to work for Musk because they believed in a formidable mission.. I don't believe that will be the case for much longer. I truly think he is now acting out of desperation as he's seeing a large downward trend that has him on edge.

blfr 4y ago

his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers That's even more damning for his detractors since they could have been doing the same but instead sneer from the sidelines.

trident5000 4y ago
A certain % of the population are clinical narcissists, which is a massive amount nominally online. And narcissists cant stand when other people are successful. I'm convinced thats who these people are.

fsdjkflsjfsoij 4y ago

> and his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers Doing that with this level of success in these domains is extremely rare and even more important. In most cases, the investors are far more important than the workers.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
Eh. I dislike Elon, BUT being able to efficiently allocate resources and identify an opportunity and/or valuable employee, who is more than just talk is a valuable skill that surprisingly few people have.
- ahallock 4y ago
  Yeah, people have different roles and talents. The face of the company does get most of the praise and fame, but that's true of nearly every organization I can think of.

kiba 4y ago

He's definitely the 'chief engineer' of his companies in that he made engineering decisions, but to pretend that somehow means he does ALL the engineering work and grunt works is a very silly notion. But yes, there's indeed the thousand of engineers and technicians doing the work. He even credits them for making his dream possible! I don't know why people think he's not doing the work. Have they actually read interviews and books? The books I read does not paint him in a very flattering light people-wise. It's also possible to be simultaneously an egoistic asshole, genius, having actual skills, being a money man and visionary leader, People act as if a person who's a jackass can't have positive traits or vice versa.

noslenwerdna 4y ago

Ok, but how is it dishonest? That seems really out of whack with the rest of your post and kind of ranty.

code_runner 4y ago
Acting like Elon hasn’t given people legit reasons to dislike him? Anybody is allowed to overlook the flaws he has but you shouldn’t ignore them outright. I’d actually argue he was the darling of the tech world for a while and his awful personality has eroded that over the last handful of years.

HillRat 4y ago

Musk's skills are pretty domain-specific and not, I think, transferable. He really excels at: 1. Choosing hard (and inspiring) problems that decompose down to a series of relatively linear engineering challenges; 2. Getting large amounts of investment money from the market or government sources to fund development; 3. Yelling at engineers to solve problems (and remaining close enough to engineering to identify the specific problems to yell about), often through overwork, while keeping the core mission inspiring enough to reduce churn; 4. Cutting corners in order to productionize faster than more risk-conscious competitors. In other words, Musk is very good at steering organizations through certain kinds of complicated challenges. But he's also terrible at complex challenges, where the path isn't linear and yelling at engineers isn't enough to unstick the process, or where cutting corners is going to be disfavored by the market or by regulators. Twitter is by its nature a horribly complex, poorly-understood, highly-dynamic complex system that will react unpredictably to any interaction. The decisions Musk needs to make aren't engineering-based (except when it comes to slashing staff and yelling at the survivors to work harder), but open-ocean strategy: product design; market fit; and playing nice with the userbase, high-profile accounts, and advertisers. Unfortunately, Musk has never demonstrated an ability to succeed in these areas -- consider SolarCity, which held a commanding lead early on, but had to be acquired by Tesla due to debt and growth problems, and has fallen to a tiny fraction of the market due to poor sales strategy and customer complaints. Add on the fact that he has a very narrow critical path to profitability (he bought a barely-profitable entity and loaded it up with a cool $1bn/year in debt payments that will need to come out of expenses), and there's more than can go wrong at Twitter than right. Beyond that, Musk's problem with Twitter is simply that he looked at his social media experience and assumed that it was reflective of Twitter's userbase as a whole. But the alt-right instigators, bots, crypto-enthusiasts, and general (to be frank) weirdos that developed a parasocial relationship with his account are a tiny fraction of a fraction of Twitter's population; even if we consider "political" Twitter as a whole, it's tiny, just loud since it's populated by people with media megaphones. Most Twitter users have much more normal hobbies: sports, pop culture, videogames, whatever, and with Musk catering to his followers (who he seems to think are much bigger and more valuable than they are), their experiences are likely to get a lot worse. So unless he's willing to act more like a normal social media mogul -- aggressively mute the communities that create undesirable experiences for other users, turn down the personality volume on public communications, and suck up to the ad agencies and advertisers who keep the lights on -- I don't expect Twitter to get more successful.

comboy 4y ago

> his success is mostly throwing money at eager (and smart) engineers This meme is on fire but I did not expect it here on HN where people can understand what he is talking about. There are many videos like this [1] and interviews (e.g. with Munro regarding Tesla) where the guy shows deep technical knowledge. Besides, try making a startup throwing money and smart engineers. Just money will not even get you the really good ones. People who have a choice don't work for morons. I mean, sure, there's plenty to hate (there was much more to hate about say Columbus, Gandhi or Ford), but if we were dismissing achievements of people who give others good reasons to hate them we wouldn't have calculus. Let's try to let people stand out without gaslighting them if they are doing some great things. There are many people who smell real bad, are a*holes, have really weird opinions on some topics and were necessary for us to be able to write these comments here. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw

Salgat 4y ago
He doesn't have deep knowledge, he a broad high level understanding of the technologies and processes used at his company. In the interview you can see how he's aware of what the major components are supposed to do, but he'd be completely useless if you told him to do the engineering design and analysis behind it. Which is perfectly fine, that's how it's supposed to be as a CEO.
intothemild 4y ago
Did you just compare Musk to Ghandi and Ford?
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arise 4y ago

Just to extend this, there are a large number of plausibly legitimate reasons people might hate Musk. Maybe you're stuck in Tesla service hell, or maybe you retired to Boca Chica and now have to deal with rocket noise and road closures. Maybe you're an environmentalist who doesn't like to see a launch facilities next to a wildlife preserve. Maybe you're a Tesla employee who was injured due to company negligence. Maybe you're a Neuralink researcher who is embarrassed over Musk's absurdly fantastical claims about what your technology can do. Maybe you founded a visionary electric car company only to see it sabatoged and taken over by Musk and have him launch your vehicle into space. Maybe you're a stressed out worker at any of Musk's companies who resents his demands for a work/life imbalance. Maybe you're a market trader who lost money due to Musk's fraudulent "funding secured" tweet. Maybe you're uncomfortable with the constant stream of vaporware, dumb ideas, and bogus dates issued by a false messiah preying on the technological optimism of your fellow nerds. Or maybe you're just an American who is tired of seeing bullshit artists wag the dog, behave illegal and unethically, and never be held to account for their actions. There are many good things one might say about Musk, but don't pretend there aren't any bad things.