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Layoffs are part of business yes (pretty much what I said in my parent post). What I have a problem with is the way this is being done. Forcing people to quit b

Layoffs are part of business yes (pretty much what I said in my parent post). What I have a problem with is the way this is being done. Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Asking devs to print up their code? All this because he doesn't want to pay severance etc. I think that is hella f*cked up.

marcusverus 4y ago
> Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Did any of this happen as a matter of policy? Or are you getting upset about rumors and hearsay?
- saagarjha 4y ago
  It did.
- bsimpson 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1587709705488830464 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/158770970548883046...
  - Whatarethese 4y ago
    That'd be a big heck no from me dawg. No job is worth that.
    - andirk 4y ago
      I've slept at work plenty of times. It's fun! Except one time I went outside for a spliff break at 2am and dropped my wallet w/ key badge right as the door shut. I had to hunt down a taxi and promise him I had money at my house! I also didn't have shoes on for some reason.
dmak 4y ago
Your original comment made it sound like businesses shouldn't layoff people because they were people who had real lives. After reading this follow-up, I realized you have no issues with layoffs, but you actually just had an issue with how they were laid off. Basically, same outcome, but with more grace.
- all_factz 4y ago
  It’s not the same outcome at all - severance pay is often the difference between needing to take out a loan or not when embarking on a job search after a layoff. Lack of that stability will have material impact on many people: they might have to move, change which schools their kids go to, avoid medical treatment not covered by Medicare, etc etc. He’s not committing some sort of victimless crime.
  - dmak 4y ago
    > but with more grace > Grace - courteous goodwill. I think we are saying the same thing. Goodwill can only be built with actions and that would be similar to what Stripe did in their layoffs. The lack of goodwill would result in what you are saying.
WalterBright 4y ago
None of that was in the linked article.
Ekaros 4y ago
Not paying severance is also part of business and what people signed up for if it is not a law or a contract.

marcusverus 4y ago

> Forcing people to quit by dropping arbitrary deadlines without any notice? Notice of 84 hour work weeks? Sleeping in the office? Did any of this happen as a matter of policy? Or are you getting upset about rumors and hearsay?

saagarjha 4y ago
It did.
bsimpson 4y ago
https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/1587709705488830464 https://twitter.com/esthercrawford/status/158770970548883046...
- Whatarethese 4y ago
  That'd be a big heck no from me dawg. No job is worth that.
  - andirk 4y ago
    I've slept at work plenty of times. It's fun! Except one time I went outside for a spliff break at 2am and dropped my wallet w/ key badge right as the door shut. I had to hunt down a taxi and promise him I had money at my house! I also didn't have shoes on for some reason.

dmak 4y ago

Your original comment made it sound like businesses shouldn't layoff people because they were people who had real lives. After reading this follow-up, I realized you have no issues with layoffs, but you actually just had an issue with how they were laid off. Basically, same outcome, but with more grace.

all_factz 4y ago
It’s not the same outcome at all - severance pay is often the difference between needing to take out a loan or not when embarking on a job search after a layoff. Lack of that stability will have material impact on many people: they might have to move, change which schools their kids go to, avoid medical treatment not covered by Medicare, etc etc. He’s not committing some sort of victimless crime.
- dmak 4y ago
  > but with more grace > Grace - courteous goodwill. I think we are saying the same thing. Goodwill can only be built with actions and that would be similar to what Stripe did in their layoffs. The lack of goodwill would result in what you are saying.

WalterBright 4y ago

None of that was in the linked article.

Ekaros 4y ago

Not paying severance is also part of business and what people signed up for if it is not a law or a contract.