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What do you recommend as an alternative?

by gort19 4y ago

chpatrick 4y ago
matrix/element.
freedomben 4y ago
keybase.io has been great, although it's not without its risks either since it was acquired by Zoom. It's still up and seemingly maintained but AFAIK there's no new feature work. I've heard WhatsApp recommended from people I trust, but I have never personally used it so can't speak from experience.
- calgoo 4y ago
  The legal team at the company I work for are suggesting to remove keybase and treat it as compromised as there is no way of knowing of keys and other data has not been shared with the Chinese government. No proof at all of course, just the world we live in I guess :)
- gort19 4y ago
  WhatsApp seems like a non-starter based on this list of complaints. It’s hard to imagine someone who doesn’t trust Moxie, but does trust Zuck.
- seized 4y ago
  A lot of people moved to Signal because of WhatsApps changes so that advice can thought of as misleading at best. Your suggested alternatives are owned by Zoom and Facebook. I'll stick with Signal.
- happymellon 4y ago
  As a Facebook owned app, I don't trust WhatsApp. All of them being tied to a phone number is bad form.
- L3viathan 4y ago
  > keybase.io has been great > Crypto thing they attempted well...
friend_and_foe 4y ago
XMPP with OMEMO e2ee. Fallback to jitsi meet for video calling, although several xmpp clients support video calling to each other.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  Jitsi Meet is pretty good for video, and relatively easy to self-host, though you'll need some decent resources for it. The docker-jitsi-meet project[0] can get you started quickly Signal's "source available" infra can be self-hosted but it's huge effort and relies on a bunch of cloud-specific services which need to be replaced with self-hostslable alternatives. It's also extremely poorly documented and the code quality is fairly mediocre. I wouldn't recommend trying to host Signal infra yourself; it can be done; I've done it at work and it took some months of effort, and maintaining it is a nightmare (or was, then at least) because they'd only push one huge update to GitHub quarterly or less often. [0]https://github.com/jitsi/docker-jitsi-meet https://github.com/jitsi/docker-jitsi-meet
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What do you recommend as an alternative?

by gort19 4y ago

What do you recommend as an alternative?

chpatrick 4y ago

matrix/element.

freedomben 4y ago

keybase.io has been great, although it's not without its risks either since it was acquired by Zoom. It's still up and seemingly maintained but AFAIK there's no new feature work. I've heard WhatsApp recommended from people I trust, but I have never personally used it so can't speak from experience.

calgoo 4y ago
The legal team at the company I work for are suggesting to remove keybase and treat it as compromised as there is no way of knowing of keys and other data has not been shared with the Chinese government. No proof at all of course, just the world we live in I guess :)
gort19 4y ago
WhatsApp seems like a non-starter based on this list of complaints. It’s hard to imagine someone who doesn’t trust Moxie, but does trust Zuck.
seized 4y ago
A lot of people moved to Signal because of WhatsApps changes so that advice can thought of as misleading at best. Your suggested alternatives are owned by Zoom and Facebook. I'll stick with Signal.
happymellon 4y ago
As a Facebook owned app, I don't trust WhatsApp. All of them being tied to a phone number is bad form.
L3viathan 4y ago
> keybase.io has been great > Crypto thing they attempted well...

friend_and_foe 4y ago

XMPP with OMEMO e2ee. Fallback to jitsi meet for video calling, although several xmpp clients support video calling to each other.

alias_neo 4y ago
Jitsi Meet is pretty good for video, and relatively easy to self-host, though you'll need some decent resources for it. The docker-jitsi-meet project[0] can get you started quickly Signal's "source available" infra can be self-hosted but it's huge effort and relies on a bunch of cloud-specific services which need to be replaced with self-hostslable alternatives. It's also extremely poorly documented and the code quality is fairly mediocre. I wouldn't recommend trying to host Signal infra yourself; it can be done; I've done it at work and it took some months of effort, and maintaining it is a nightmare (or was, then at least) because they'd only push one huge update to GitHub quarterly or less often. [0]https://github.com/jitsi/docker-jitsi-meet https://github.com/jitsi/docker-jitsi-meet

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