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You can't reply to dead comments, effectively killing the conversation, so no, it's not the same thing.

by fazfq 4y ago

Kye 4y ago
That's what the vouch link on the comment page is for.
- fazfq 4y ago
  Vouching for a comment makes it visible for everyone else. That means that dang reviews whether the comment breaks the rules and if it does he'll take away your ability to vouch in the future. Therefore, vouching is not a way to continue commenting on a sub-thread that breaks the rules.
  - swayvil 4y ago
    There's "breaking the rules" and then there's "breaking the rules according to a certain interpretation" and then there's "I don't like what he said, so I'm going to interpret the rules in a way that justifies removing his post". It all comes down to some guy telling me how to talk. I don't like it. Anybody who likes it has rocks in his head.
    - alexashka 4y ago
      I like it even less when 100 IQ people are not told how to talk, repeatedly - they render coherent conversation and decision-making impossible. I'll give up some of my freedom, to limit everyone else's freedom every day of the week - the only concern I have is roughly the IQ of the people doing the limiting.
    - fazfq 4y ago
      I completely agree with you, but that's the way The Orange Website works. As a lowly user there is nothing we can do about it.
      - Kye 4y ago
        You can actually email dang/the mods and make your case. Make sure to read up on the extensive documentation he shares for how he moderates and how he thinks about moderation right here on HN first, plus any discussion on past suggestions. Mastering the search box helps. A lot of modern HN policy and functionality started as recurring suggestions that became experiments. https://hn.algolia.com/help https://hn.algolia.com/help https://hn.algolia.com/settings https://hn.algolia.com/settings dang often references past discussions with search links, so here's a good starting point: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20algolia&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=7&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20algolia&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=7&prefix=true&que...
    - pixl97 4y ago
      Your free to create your own site and talk on it however you like. What you want is someone else's audience, and I'm not exactly sure what makes you think you have the right to that?
      - swayvil 4y ago
        Do you like to be told how to talk?
        pixl97 4y ago
        Ah, all the nuance of a bull in a china shop. Since I was not born with a language, yes I've been told how to talk for a sizeable portion of my life. In fact learning things like tact and politeness, especially as it relates to the society I live in, has been monumental in my success. Do you go to your parents house and tell them to screw off? Do you go to work and open your mouth like a raging dumpster fire? Do you have no filter talking to your husband/wife/significant other? Simply put your addition to the discussion is that of an impudent child. "I want everything and I want to give up nothing" is how an individual becomes an outcast, and I severely doubt this is how you actually live outside the magical place known as the internet, though I may be surprised.
        swayvil 4y ago
        That's some well-lubricated evasion. Let's assume that you are not a child, that you are confident in your ability to manage your snark and, most of all, highly value your conversation. I'm going to conclude that yes, you definitely dislike being told how to talk.
        creeble 4y ago
        >that you are confident in your ability to manage your snark Oops.
        mikkergp 4y ago
        > you definitely dislike being told how to talk. I may be unique in this regard, but I am aware of the fact that sometimes I make mistakes, and I don’t highly value all of my conversation, sometimes I just rant, or enjoy engaging in more superfluous conversation. Sometimes the best conversations aren’t “highly valuable”!
    - buttercraft 4y ago
      > It all comes down to some guy telling me how to talk. Nobody is "telling you how to talk." People are free to choose their terms for voluntary social interactions. You don't have a right to inflict yourself on others who wish not to interact with you.

You can't reply to dead comments, effectively killing the conversation, so no, it's not the same thing.

by fazfq 4y ago

You can't reply to dead comments, effectively killing the conversation, so no, it's not the same thing.

Kye 4y ago

That's what the vouch link on the comment page is for.

fazfq 4y ago
Vouching for a comment makes it visible for everyone else. That means that dang reviews whether the comment breaks the rules and if it does he'll take away your ability to vouch in the future. Therefore, vouching is not a way to continue commenting on a sub-thread that breaks the rules.
- swayvil 4y ago
  There's "breaking the rules" and then there's "breaking the rules according to a certain interpretation" and then there's "I don't like what he said, so I'm going to interpret the rules in a way that justifies removing his post". It all comes down to some guy telling me how to talk. I don't like it. Anybody who likes it has rocks in his head.
  - alexashka 4y ago
    I like it even less when 100 IQ people are not told how to talk, repeatedly - they render coherent conversation and decision-making impossible. I'll give up some of my freedom, to limit everyone else's freedom every day of the week - the only concern I have is roughly the IQ of the people doing the limiting.
  - fazfq 4y ago
    I completely agree with you, but that's the way The Orange Website works. As a lowly user there is nothing we can do about it.
    - Kye 4y ago
      You can actually email dang/the mods and make your case. Make sure to read up on the extensive documentation he shares for how he moderates and how he thinks about moderation right here on HN first, plus any discussion on past suggestions. Mastering the search box helps. A lot of modern HN policy and functionality started as recurring suggestions that became experiments. https://hn.algolia.com/help https://hn.algolia.com/help https://hn.algolia.com/settings https://hn.algolia.com/settings dang often references past discussions with search links, so here's a good starting point: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20algolia&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=7&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20algolia&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=7&prefix=true&que...
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Your free to create your own site and talk on it however you like. What you want is someone else's audience, and I'm not exactly sure what makes you think you have the right to that?
    - swayvil 4y ago
      Do you like to be told how to talk?
      - pixl97 4y ago
        Ah, all the nuance of a bull in a china shop. Since I was not born with a language, yes I've been told how to talk for a sizeable portion of my life. In fact learning things like tact and politeness, especially as it relates to the society I live in, has been monumental in my success. Do you go to your parents house and tell them to screw off? Do you go to work and open your mouth like a raging dumpster fire? Do you have no filter talking to your husband/wife/significant other? Simply put your addition to the discussion is that of an impudent child. "I want everything and I want to give up nothing" is how an individual becomes an outcast, and I severely doubt this is how you actually live outside the magical place known as the internet, though I may be surprised.
        swayvil 4y ago
        That's some well-lubricated evasion. Let's assume that you are not a child, that you are confident in your ability to manage your snark and, most of all, highly value your conversation. I'm going to conclude that yes, you definitely dislike being told how to talk.
        creeble 4y ago
        >that you are confident in your ability to manage your snark Oops.
        mikkergp 4y ago
        > you definitely dislike being told how to talk. I may be unique in this regard, but I am aware of the fact that sometimes I make mistakes, and I don’t highly value all of my conversation, sometimes I just rant, or enjoy engaging in more superfluous conversation. Sometimes the best conversations aren’t “highly valuable”!
  - buttercraft 4y ago
    > It all comes down to some guy telling me how to talk. Nobody is "telling you how to talk." People are free to choose their terms for voluntary social interactions. You don't have a right to inflict yourself on others who wish not to interact with you.