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It should be noted that this isn't an exaggeration. For a long time they actually had in the sidebar on lemmy.ml that it was the main Marxist instance. I'd l

It should be noted that this isn't an exaggeration. For a long time they actually had in the sidebar on lemmy.ml that it was the main Marxist instance. I'd link an archive but the site's design makes every one I can find pull the new info.

alexb_ 4y ago
I mean is this really a reason to not use something? Just because you don't agree with the views of the people running it?
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  Well it depends, right. If their views are just their views then no, not really. But if they outright tell people they want nothing to do with them unless they think exactly alike, yeah, why would you want to contribute to that? When I say they're Marxists, I mean they're not shy in saying what they think of you if you're not one. These are not weekend "what Mao did was wrong" socialists man, they don't want to hang around you either.
- cocoricamo 4y ago
  Not at all but is a very strong reason not to collaborate. Can't work with someone who is radicalized, they tend to take criticism as attacks and will attack back, sometimes preemptively if they get paranoid and start seeing ghosts. In those cases only use it if you can maintain it and fork it. Because you can't trust that someone with so extreme political views will not remove the software because they don't agree with whatever downstream group using it.
  - zaik 4y ago
    > they tend to take criticism as attacks Makes sense, but it might as well not be the case.
    - cocoricamo 4y ago
      True, but from experience with family and former friends it's a prevalent trend with radicals (left, right, religious). It's not something I'd look forward to. I guess it depends in exactly what they believe and how they think it should be achieved, since I've met people who were extreme in their positions, but capable of accepting others and staunch critics of their side. Thinking about it, I guess the main difference with these two guys was that they didn't preach and were old as hell. Probably age earned wisdom, who knows.
- workethics 4y ago
  I never said you shouldn't? I was only backing up the other commentor's claim since many people might think he's being hyperbolic rather than them overtly spelling it out on their site.
- yarg 4y ago
  If they're unwilling to work with people who disagree with them politically? With federated services, then at very least the people making the technical decisions around the protocols should try to be politically neutral. The cost of the actual implementation being under the control of political idealogues is less, since forking doesn't impact the API - but it's still not desireable.
- another_story 4y ago
  Yes, because you're giving them more power to disseminate their views and later suppress yours if they so choose. In this case it's a bit different, since it's a federated model, so you can just run your own node, but I'd rather not support the work of people with extremist views.
- zo1 4y ago
  Pretend for a moment it's a Nazi-espousing group. That's how some are seeing this group even though they swing the opposite direction into Marxism.
- andai 4y ago
  Would you want to be associated with people who openly and unironically praised Hitler?

alexb_ 4y ago

I mean is this really a reason to not use something? Just because you don't agree with the views of the people running it?

friend_and_foe 4y ago
Well it depends, right. If their views are just their views then no, not really. But if they outright tell people they want nothing to do with them unless they think exactly alike, yeah, why would you want to contribute to that? When I say they're Marxists, I mean they're not shy in saying what they think of you if you're not one. These are not weekend "what Mao did was wrong" socialists man, they don't want to hang around you either.
cocoricamo 4y ago
Not at all but is a very strong reason not to collaborate. Can't work with someone who is radicalized, they tend to take criticism as attacks and will attack back, sometimes preemptively if they get paranoid and start seeing ghosts. In those cases only use it if you can maintain it and fork it. Because you can't trust that someone with so extreme political views will not remove the software because they don't agree with whatever downstream group using it.
- zaik 4y ago
  > they tend to take criticism as attacks Makes sense, but it might as well not be the case.
  - cocoricamo 4y ago
    True, but from experience with family and former friends it's a prevalent trend with radicals (left, right, religious). It's not something I'd look forward to. I guess it depends in exactly what they believe and how they think it should be achieved, since I've met people who were extreme in their positions, but capable of accepting others and staunch critics of their side. Thinking about it, I guess the main difference with these two guys was that they didn't preach and were old as hell. Probably age earned wisdom, who knows.
workethics 4y ago
I never said you shouldn't? I was only backing up the other commentor's claim since many people might think he's being hyperbolic rather than them overtly spelling it out on their site.
yarg 4y ago
If they're unwilling to work with people who disagree with them politically? With federated services, then at very least the people making the technical decisions around the protocols should try to be politically neutral. The cost of the actual implementation being under the control of political idealogues is less, since forking doesn't impact the API - but it's still not desireable.
another_story 4y ago
Yes, because you're giving them more power to disseminate their views and later suppress yours if they so choose. In this case it's a bit different, since it's a federated model, so you can just run your own node, but I'd rather not support the work of people with extremist views.
zo1 4y ago
Pretend for a moment it's a Nazi-espousing group. That's how some are seeing this group even though they swing the opposite direction into Marxism.
andai 4y ago
Would you want to be associated with people who openly and unironically praised Hitler?