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A different job? Go travelling for a while? Travelling is a lot of fun and makes you realize that life is short and that you should make the most of it. I chan

A different job? Go travelling for a while? Travelling is a lot of fun and makes you realize that life is short and that you should make the most of it. I changed careers and found the change fun. I may go back to coding at some point, I kinda miss the that deep thinking it requires .... but I can do that in my spare time if I really need to. Or, if you need the money, just phone it in for a while.

badpun 4y ago
> Travelling is a lot of fun and makes you realize that life is short and that you should make the most of it. I never got what was so great about travelling. Whenever I tried doing it, I was almost immediately bored and lonely. It proabably works much better for extraverts.
- Temporary_31337 4y ago
  I think traveling can teach you a lot about various ways of life, especially early on in life, but can also be viewed as eco irresponsible, especially if you're flying around just as a hobby. Maybe consider doing something like English language or CS teaching in non-English country of your choosing and try embed yourself with the society there...
- Existenceblinks 4y ago
  Yep, I learnt nothing internally rather than oh nice view, strange place, different way of [people] doing things. It doesn't change me even a bit. People claim that they become a better person. I think at least 50% of them were bullshiting.
  - badpun 4y ago
    I suspect six months of working in a blue-collar job (say, construction) in an area of the country you're not familiar with would be much more enriching than 6 months of traveling in SE Asia, at least for college-educated young people.
    - Existenceblinks 4y ago
      Yeah likely. My city attracts tourists/backpackers too. As local's perspective, I'm glad they enjoy the difference, but I don't think they have changed at all. It's not like bathing holy water of experience, suddenly you come out pure. No!
mozman 4y ago
I’m opening a local metal working business. Running both until I can get a decent income stream. Tech prospects look bleak, I think the party will be over in 10 or less years as engineers are viewed more as a cost vs value add.
- ravenstine 4y ago
  > Tech prospects look bleak, I think the party will be over in 10 or less years as engineers are viewed more as a cost vs value add. Seems realistic, though optimistic. I think the party will be over sooner than that, probably in the next 5 or so years, but we'll collectively be in denial about it for at least another 5 years following that.
  - Temporary_31337 4y ago
    You're both wrong, I hope ;) Tech jobs just seems to follow the usual hype cycle so IMO tech jobs will still be needed in the future but perhaps fewer of them. Tech jobs are also much harder than they used to be - when I started 'coding' HTML+CSS was considered high skill. Now you're expected to have serverless lambdas generating those pages and to configure a CDN and SSL and maybe talk to some backend Machine Learning APIs for a similar pay grade. So roles where you can still handle other people, and deliver, working technical solutions will still be very much in demand.
    - ravenstine 4y ago
      Tech jobs are harder than they used to be, but that doesn't necessarily mean the effort is proportional to the value being produced. Let's be honest here; a lot of what we do involves navigating the theology of software more so than actually performing valuable work. Take frontend, for instance. Frontend development is continuing to move towards Java-esque complexity all while providing no measurable improvement in efficiency or reduction in bugs. New features ship slower than they used to. Until someone can show actual evidence that "modern" web development is a measurable improvement over the old days, I'll believe it when I see it, and what I've seen for most of my career now is adherence to a bunch of clever ideas that don't really improve anything. Yes, more tech jobs have been needed to compensate for the onslaught of bullshit, but much of that bullshit was invented by the holders of those very jobs. Much of object-oriented dogma alone invented a bunch of jobs that otherwise wouldn't have existed because it created more problems than it actually solved. When the going gets tough, economically speaking, no one's going to give a fuck about all the frameworks, all the needless abstractions, all the supposed "best practices", all the build tools, all the lint rules, all the devops, all the stupid ass containerization schemes, or any of that jazz. With some exceptions, machine learning probably being one of them, what isn't necessary will be culled. Companies that know better are going to suddenly become interested in what their engineers are actually doing, will remove the low-performers, and tell their remaining engineers to stop making things complicated.
ThrowAway1922A 4y ago
I am actively applying to jobs, but of course that takes time. I actually had an offer signed, but the employer reneged on it last night which really, really sucks because it was exactly what I think I needed. In terms of career change, I'm not sure that's possible without moving. I live very rural, there's almost no jobs here that aren't retail. If I stay here I'm basically forced to continue remote dev work. I actually want to move, but I don't think I'm in a good position to take such a risk. > Or, if you need the money, just phone it in for a while. One way or another I'm going to draw it out as long as possible, I basically don't have a choice.
- bombcar 4y ago
  You mention you can survive 4-6 months with no salary and you're a remote dev right now - you can "soft move" and likely extend that runway. I don't know your life situation, but it's possible you could travel to a city in your timezone and get a short-term rental of some sort and work from there as you investigate the city and its options. You could probably go a timezone or two away and still not need to actually make it obvious; of course swapping to the other side of the world would be more difficult. Even if you chose to return you'll at least have more knowledge about the options.

badpun 4y ago

> Travelling is a lot of fun and makes you realize that life is short and that you should make the most of it. I never got what was so great about travelling. Whenever I tried doing it, I was almost immediately bored and lonely. It proabably works much better for extraverts.

Temporary_31337 4y ago
I think traveling can teach you a lot about various ways of life, especially early on in life, but can also be viewed as eco irresponsible, especially if you're flying around just as a hobby. Maybe consider doing something like English language or CS teaching in non-English country of your choosing and try embed yourself with the society there...
Existenceblinks 4y ago
Yep, I learnt nothing internally rather than oh nice view, strange place, different way of [people] doing things. It doesn't change me even a bit. People claim that they become a better person. I think at least 50% of them were bullshiting.
- badpun 4y ago
  I suspect six months of working in a blue-collar job (say, construction) in an area of the country you're not familiar with would be much more enriching than 6 months of traveling in SE Asia, at least for college-educated young people.
  - Existenceblinks 4y ago
    Yeah likely. My city attracts tourists/backpackers too. As local's perspective, I'm glad they enjoy the difference, but I don't think they have changed at all. It's not like bathing holy water of experience, suddenly you come out pure. No!

mozman 4y ago

I’m opening a local metal working business. Running both until I can get a decent income stream. Tech prospects look bleak, I think the party will be over in 10 or less years as engineers are viewed more as a cost vs value add.

ravenstine 4y ago
> Tech prospects look bleak, I think the party will be over in 10 or less years as engineers are viewed more as a cost vs value add. Seems realistic, though optimistic. I think the party will be over sooner than that, probably in the next 5 or so years, but we'll collectively be in denial about it for at least another 5 years following that.
- Temporary_31337 4y ago
  You're both wrong, I hope ;) Tech jobs just seems to follow the usual hype cycle so IMO tech jobs will still be needed in the future but perhaps fewer of them. Tech jobs are also much harder than they used to be - when I started 'coding' HTML+CSS was considered high skill. Now you're expected to have serverless lambdas generating those pages and to configure a CDN and SSL and maybe talk to some backend Machine Learning APIs for a similar pay grade. So roles where you can still handle other people, and deliver, working technical solutions will still be very much in demand.
  - ravenstine 4y ago
    Tech jobs are harder than they used to be, but that doesn't necessarily mean the effort is proportional to the value being produced. Let's be honest here; a lot of what we do involves navigating the theology of software more so than actually performing valuable work. Take frontend, for instance. Frontend development is continuing to move towards Java-esque complexity all while providing no measurable improvement in efficiency or reduction in bugs. New features ship slower than they used to. Until someone can show actual evidence that "modern" web development is a measurable improvement over the old days, I'll believe it when I see it, and what I've seen for most of my career now is adherence to a bunch of clever ideas that don't really improve anything. Yes, more tech jobs have been needed to compensate for the onslaught of bullshit, but much of that bullshit was invented by the holders of those very jobs. Much of object-oriented dogma alone invented a bunch of jobs that otherwise wouldn't have existed because it created more problems than it actually solved. When the going gets tough, economically speaking, no one's going to give a fuck about all the frameworks, all the needless abstractions, all the supposed "best practices", all the build tools, all the lint rules, all the devops, all the stupid ass containerization schemes, or any of that jazz. With some exceptions, machine learning probably being one of them, what isn't necessary will be culled. Companies that know better are going to suddenly become interested in what their engineers are actually doing, will remove the low-performers, and tell their remaining engineers to stop making things complicated.

ThrowAway1922A 4y ago

I am actively applying to jobs, but of course that takes time. I actually had an offer signed, but the employer reneged on it last night which really, really sucks because it was exactly what I think I needed. In terms of career change, I'm not sure that's possible without moving. I live very rural, there's almost no jobs here that aren't retail. If I stay here I'm basically forced to continue remote dev work. I actually want to move, but I don't think I'm in a good position to take such a risk. > Or, if you need the money, just phone it in for a while. One way or another I'm going to draw it out as long as possible, I basically don't have a choice.

bombcar 4y ago
You mention you can survive 4-6 months with no salary and you're a remote dev right now - you can "soft move" and likely extend that runway. I don't know your life situation, but it's possible you could travel to a city in your timezone and get a short-term rental of some sort and work from there as you investigate the city and its options. You could probably go a timezone or two away and still not need to actually make it obvious; of course swapping to the other side of the world would be more difficult. Even if you chose to return you'll at least have more knowledge about the options.