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Anything having to do with twitter is not “direly needed”

by code_runner 4y ago

nwienert 4y ago
- matai_kolila 4y ago
  That’s not at all what happened. In fact, my bet is Musk will find out shortly, if not already, that Twitter’s bans made a ton of sense and were extremely pragmatic, and had nothing at all to do with politics.
  - nwienert 4y ago
    It is what happened: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformat... And they had everything to do with politics. It’s interesting to see people cheer when things go their sides way and then do contortions to rationalize when they don’t.
    - matai_kolila 4y ago
      That article has nothing to do with what I said. Twitter is not banning people for posting conservative viewpoints.
      - nwienert 4y ago
        You said that’s not what happened in reply to me, and I cited that it did happen. I’m just backing up my own assertions, nothing to do with you. And they certainly banned plenty of conservatives for their views. It was just first framed as “misinformation” and then banned. Examples include Covid skepticism, Hunters laptop, and honestly a litany more.
        matai_kolila 4y ago
        Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. Twitter banned dangerous idiots and assholes. It's not Twitter's fault those happen to be largely conservatives. Maybe look inward if a group you identify with keeps getting called out for being dangerously wrong and/or violent. Edit: I'm literally staring at Ben Shapiro's Twitter feed right now, and if conservative speech were forbidden, his account would have been permanently banned back in 2008. He posted a picture of a toddler wearing a fake beard with a, "What is a woman?" sign on their chest today, and it seems like his account remains active. It's such a disingenuous claim to say "Conservative views are censored on Twitter." when even a cursory glance at a wildly popular conservative on Twitter demonstrates the opposite.
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        >Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. THIS! Let me add on: My argument any conservative who is still tolerable to debate, is this: I don't mind differing viewpoints in philosophy, or in scope of government, per se. I don't want someone banned from twitter for wanting to defund social services, or for thinking public education is a waste of money, for thinking trade unions are bad for citizens. Hell, I'm not even opposed to allowing voices to those who say government has no right to compel people to get vaccines, however horrid the idea. The line, and you know this matai_kolila, is when people post/repeat/retweet lies that originate out of bad science, or out of enemy nation-states, to back up their shitty ideas. Like saying the vaccine is not useful, or saying that COVID in spring of 2020 wasn't a threat, or "a litany of other things". A line exists between legitimate differences in political opinion, and outright bullshit lies, and while you can't be jailed for saying it (literal 1st amendment), private companies have no obligation to help smear the shit.
        CobaltFire 4y ago
        COVID skepticism is… I mean COVID is real? Hunter Biden’s laptop? The laptop that no one can produce, that there are no records existed, and supposedly copies of the data exist but aren’t being looked at for reasons? Those aren’t the slam dunk arguments you seem to think they are.
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      Do you deny that adversary nation-states are using social media and our culture of anonymous, unfettered "speech" to promote known lies and divisions in this country? You either deny that, or think that absolutely nothing should be done about it by social media sites or our union of the people, known as government.
  - coffeeblack 4y ago
    It is exactly what happened.

Anything having to do with twitter is not “direly needed”

nwienert 4y ago

matai_kolila 4y ago
That’s not at all what happened. In fact, my bet is Musk will find out shortly, if not already, that Twitter’s bans made a ton of sense and were extremely pragmatic, and had nothing at all to do with politics.
- nwienert 4y ago
  It is what happened: https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformation-dhs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/10/31/social-media-disinformat... And they had everything to do with politics. It’s interesting to see people cheer when things go their sides way and then do contortions to rationalize when they don’t.
  - matai_kolila 4y ago
    That article has nothing to do with what I said. Twitter is not banning people for posting conservative viewpoints.
    - nwienert 4y ago
      You said that’s not what happened in reply to me, and I cited that it did happen. I’m just backing up my own assertions, nothing to do with you. And they certainly banned plenty of conservatives for their views. It was just first framed as “misinformation” and then banned. Examples include Covid skepticism, Hunters laptop, and honestly a litany more.
      - matai_kolila 4y ago
        Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. Twitter banned dangerous idiots and assholes. It's not Twitter's fault those happen to be largely conservatives. Maybe look inward if a group you identify with keeps getting called out for being dangerously wrong and/or violent. Edit: I'm literally staring at Ben Shapiro's Twitter feed right now, and if conservative speech were forbidden, his account would have been permanently banned back in 2008. He posted a picture of a toddler wearing a fake beard with a, "What is a woman?" sign on their chest today, and it seems like his account remains active. It's such a disingenuous claim to say "Conservative views are censored on Twitter." when even a cursory glance at a wildly popular conservative on Twitter demonstrates the opposite.
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        >Please show me the user who espoused a Laissez-faire trade policy or strict constructionism and was subsequently banned for that expression. THIS! Let me add on: My argument any conservative who is still tolerable to debate, is this: I don't mind differing viewpoints in philosophy, or in scope of government, per se. I don't want someone banned from twitter for wanting to defund social services, or for thinking public education is a waste of money, for thinking trade unions are bad for citizens. Hell, I'm not even opposed to allowing voices to those who say government has no right to compel people to get vaccines, however horrid the idea. The line, and you know this matai_kolila, is when people post/repeat/retweet lies that originate out of bad science, or out of enemy nation-states, to back up their shitty ideas. Like saying the vaccine is not useful, or saying that COVID in spring of 2020 wasn't a threat, or "a litany of other things". A line exists between legitimate differences in political opinion, and outright bullshit lies, and while you can't be jailed for saying it (literal 1st amendment), private companies have no obligation to help smear the shit.
      - CobaltFire 4y ago
        COVID skepticism is… I mean COVID is real? Hunter Biden’s laptop? The laptop that no one can produce, that there are no records existed, and supposedly copies of the data exist but aren’t being looked at for reasons? Those aren’t the slam dunk arguments you seem to think they are.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    Do you deny that adversary nation-states are using social media and our culture of anonymous, unfettered "speech" to promote known lies and divisions in this country? You either deny that, or think that absolutely nothing should be done about it by social media sites or our union of the people, known as government.
- coffeeblack 4y ago
  It is exactly what happened.