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I had a recurring donation set up for wikipedia. I really like it. It’s useful. But I hate woke politics. So, yeah, I no longer have that recurring donation. I

I had a recurring donation set up for wikipedia. I really like it. It’s useful. But I hate woke politics. So, yeah, I no longer have that recurring donation. I genuinely don’t understand why people feel the need to shove their ideology down peoples throat every chance they get.

theblazehen 4y ago
Can you elaborate on what woke politics they have?
- mellosouls 4y ago
  The advocacy fund is linked in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund Tides Foundation is an American public charity and fiscal sponsor working to advance progressive causes and policy initiatives in areas such as the environment, health care, labor issues, immigrant rights, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights and human rights. While those policy areas are not in themselves necessarily negative, they have a clear political slant which is the ground associated with woke activism. It's not obvious what it has to do with Wikimedia.
  - happymellon 4y ago
    None of those sound bad, but one organisation that tries to focus on all of them? You'll end up trying lots of things but poorly, or find that they cross influence to make things efficient. Why work on labour issues when you can deal with women's labour issues? And especially if they are being funded via manipulation, such as paying for Wikipedia's servers, means they would lack the oversight from donors which is not an effective way.
    - chris_wot 4y ago
      It’s also an American organisation, and yet the WMF has a global remit.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    Also they sound extremely localised. As someone outside extremely wealthy and rich USA why should my money go to that sort of political organizations there. Why don't they use their own money for it?
- concordDance 4y ago
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  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    This isn't true. I edit Wikipedia regularly, and have done for 20 years. I don't believe transwomen are women. I am not banned.
    - boppo1 4y ago
      Do they know that is your stance, and have you edited articles to reflect it?
      - denton-scratch 4y ago
        I haven't filled-in a profile page, and I haven't had occasion to make any edit concerning transness, sex and gender. My Wikipedia handle is a name I've used in other places, so a determined stalker could draw inferences about my views; but I haven't used the handle outside of Wikipedia for a decade. I have opinions about the Middle East that, if expressed in my editing, would get me into trouble - but probably not banned; my edits would simply be reverted in a microsecond. Editing with an opinion is fine; you just get reverted. Nobody bans you. You get into trouble if you try to take a stand: e.g. revert the revert, or if you take it to the talk page, or ask for admin review.
        throwawayacc2 4y ago
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        Neoliberalism is an economic viewpoint, not a sociological one. I don't know a good word for the "safe", modern, liberal point-of-view. Perhaps that's why everyone calls it "woke", a word that I don't use, because it's usually meant as an insult. In the USA, "liberal" seems to be an insult too. The viewpoint I'm referring to is that of educated, urban, mainly white people, who sympathize with oppressed minorities, but are scared of any kind of revolution, because they depend on capitalism.
- throwawayacc2 4y ago
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oefrha 4y ago
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Equity_Fund https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Equity_Fund (Warning: filled to the brim with pc vocab.) That was painful to read. If I wanted to promote “knowledge equity” I would focus on education in low and middle income countries, rather than pouring money on affirmative action in the richest country in the world and throwing fuel on culture war in said country and elsewhere. I used to donate a small amount annually. No more from now on.
- mavhc 4y ago
  So you'd suggest they gave money to, for example, Media Foundation for West Africa: The Media Foundation for West Africa (MFWA) is a non-governmental organization dedicated to protecting and defending the right to freedom of expression, particularly for media and human rights defenders, throughout the 16 countries in West Africa or Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (US$250,000): The Arab Reporters in Journalism (ARIJ) is a nonprofit investigative journalism organization based in Jordan?
  - oefrha 4y ago
    You missed the word “education” in my comment. Books, Internet-in-a-Box, etc. for poor children in underdeveloped countries, now that kind of projects would be knowledge equity.
- feoren 4y ago
  > pouring money on affirmative action in the richest country in the world Are they spending that much money in Norway?
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
>I genuinely don’t understand why people feel the need to shove their ideology down peoples throat every chance they get. They're in a cult and they don't realize it. Woke politics has every negative hallmark of a cult. Original sin, excommunication, heresy...
marcinzm 4y ago
>I genuinely don’t understand why people feel the need to shove their ideology down peoples throat every chance they get. My perception is that every major ideological group is doing this and has been since civilization started. Most people don't mind as long as the ideology aligns with their own ideology.
- __s 4y ago
  The major ideological groups which don't do this aren't talked about, which may cause you to think they aren't major

theblazehen 4y ago

Can you elaborate on what woke politics they have?

mellosouls 4y ago
The advocacy fund is linked in the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides_Foundation#Advocacy_Fund Tides Foundation is an American public charity and fiscal sponsor working to advance progressive causes and policy initiatives in areas such as the environment, health care, labor issues, immigrant rights, LGBTQ+ rights, women's rights and human rights. While those policy areas are not in themselves necessarily negative, they have a clear political slant which is the ground associated with woke activism. It's not obvious what it has to do with Wikimedia.
- happymellon 4y ago
  None of those sound bad, but one organisation that tries to focus on all of them? You'll end up trying lots of things but poorly, or find that they cross influence to make things efficient. Why work on labour issues when you can deal with women's labour issues? And especially if they are being funded via manipulation, such as paying for Wikipedia's servers, means they would lack the oversight from donors which is not an effective way.
  - chris_wot 4y ago
    It’s also an American organisation, and yet the WMF has a global remit.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Also they sound extremely localised. As someone outside extremely wealthy and rich USA why should my money go to that sort of political organizations there. Why don't they use their own money for it?
concordDance 4y ago
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- denton-scratch 4y ago
  This isn't true. I edit Wikipedia regularly, and have done for 20 years. I don't believe transwomen are women. I am not banned.
  - boppo1 4y ago
    Do they know that is your stance, and have you edited articles to reflect it?
    - denton-scratch 4y ago
      I haven't filled-in a profile page, and I haven't had occasion to make any edit concerning transness, sex and gender. My Wikipedia handle is a name I've used in other places, so a determined stalker could draw inferences about my views; but I haven't used the handle outside of Wikipedia for a decade. I have opinions about the Middle East that, if expressed in my editing, would get me into trouble - but probably not banned; my edits would simply be reverted in a microsecond. Editing with an opinion is fine; you just get reverted. Nobody bans you. You get into trouble if you try to take a stand: e.g. revert the revert, or if you take it to the talk page, or ask for admin review.
      - throwawayacc2 4y ago
        denton-scratch 4y ago
        Neoliberalism is an economic viewpoint, not a sociological one. I don't know a good word for the "safe", modern, liberal point-of-view. Perhaps that's why everyone calls it "woke", a word that I don't use, because it's usually meant as an insult. In the USA, "liberal" seems to be an insult too. The viewpoint I'm referring to is that of educated, urban, mainly white people, who sympathize with oppressed minorities, but are scared of any kind of revolution, because they depend on capitalism.
throwawayacc2 4y ago
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- MichaelCollins 4y ago
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oefrha 4y ago

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Equity_Fund https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_Equity_Fund (Warning: filled to the brim with pc vocab.) That was painful to read. If I wanted to promote “knowledge equity” I would focus on education in low and middle income countries, rather than pouring money on affirmative action in the richest country in the world and throwing fuel on culture war in said country and elsewhere. I used to donate a small amount annually. No more from now on.

mavhc 4y ago
So you'd suggest they gave money to, for example, Media Foundation for West Africa: The Media Foundation for West Africa (MFWA) is a non-governmental organization dedicated to protecting and defending the right to freedom of expression, particularly for media and human rights defenders, throughout the 16 countries in West Africa or Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (US$250,000): The Arab Reporters in Journalism (ARIJ) is a nonprofit investigative journalism organization based in Jordan?
- oefrha 4y ago
  You missed the word “education” in my comment. Books, Internet-in-a-Box, etc. for poor children in underdeveloped countries, now that kind of projects would be knowledge equity.
feoren 4y ago
> pouring money on affirmative action in the richest country in the world Are they spending that much money in Norway?

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

>I genuinely don’t understand why people feel the need to shove their ideology down peoples throat every chance they get. They're in a cult and they don't realize it. Woke politics has every negative hallmark of a cult. Original sin, excommunication, heresy...

marcinzm 4y ago

>I genuinely don’t understand why people feel the need to shove their ideology down peoples throat every chance they get. My perception is that every major ideological group is doing this and has been since civilization started. Most people don't mind as long as the ideology aligns with their own ideology.

__s 4y ago
The major ideological groups which don't do this aren't talked about, which may cause you to think they aren't major