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You can walk, you can't verbally authenticate

by Paraesthetic 4y ago

DoreenMichele 4y ago
Sometimes you can. Especially in small towns where people know each other. That used to kinda be the norm.
- Manu40 4y ago
  I have a personal rule. If I can't walk there within an hour, or the bus itself takes more than an hour to get there; I won't even apply to the job. My method of thinking on this is that people with their own vehicle won't go much further than an hour away anyways, so why would I with a bike, my own two feet; or transit for that matter. It's not like the people they are hiring with vehicles are going to get there much faster if they own a vehicle taking the same amount of time. The only time this won't be true is if they live so close they really should be walking instead to save money.
Manu40 4y ago
Tell that to some of my past prospective employers. It's getting so bad, that some insist on being able to drive to work even if you live within 15 minutes walking distance. "But what about bad weather?" They ask. "I'll dress appropriately." I reply. 3 days later: Phone rings. "We're sorry, but we decided to go with someone better suited for the job." The job... was at a restaurant, as a cook. Cooks... don't need to be able to drive to work... usually. (There are maybe some jobs where driving would be ideal, or necessary, but let's be real here. Most don't need to be able to drive.)
- supertrope 4y ago
  I’m guessing “the bus was late” is a common excuse used by those who are frequently late to work. The issue here is that they mindlessly apply a filter of if you drive to work you pass if you don’t you fail. Employees with attendance issues can still use plenty of dumb excuses. A car itself provides several: car broke down, traffic was bad, snowy roads. Those issues don’t apply to someone who can walk in. Unfortunately not being a driver is not a protected class in the US.
  - midasuni 4y ago
    Is traffic not a thing? Or a full parking lot?
  - _c5eq 4y ago
    It's that, and more. It's also that they want to be able to rely on being able to call you in at any moments notice without any potential for excuses like "Well, it's going to take an hour to get there, because of the bus." or "I can't come in right now due to the weather on such short notice." Quite frankly, I think the entire restaurant industry (in Canada) needs to be audited for multiple reasons. Tax evasion, disobeying the law in regards to discrimination, etc. (Canadian laws) There may be some innocent owners caught in the crossfire, but if they truly are innocent in this case; they should be fine and worry free. It's not a line of logic I like to use in many things, but in this case it really is true.
  - Tangurena2 4y ago
    I think far more common (in the fast food & retail industry) is the manager calling you up: "X called out sick, we need you to come in to do their shift, starting in 45 minutes." If the person lacks a car, then "I can't, buses don't run today" or "it will take me 90 minutes to get in by bus today". I once worked where I lacked a car. There were 3 buses going there in the morning. The next bus going there left downtown Denver at 4pm. Between 0545 and 1600 there was no bus service to that destination. Missing the 0430, 0505 or 0545 buses meant missing work that day. When I finally managed to get a car (legal problems), I got a new job within a month.
    - hinkley 4y ago
      We can agree that “cancel all of your plans for your day off on 45 minute’s notice” might be considered an abuse of power, right?
      - Manu40 4y ago
        Not the person you replied to, but yes. But the problem is that most people are spineless and don't use the proper channels of authority that oversee these sorts of things to ensure that employers are held to proper standards. Heck, here in Canada we have a tribunal system to deal with human rights abuses, even in the workplace; not just societal. And it gets underfunded due to be under utilized due to the very lack of backbone I speak of. What I am saying right now is right from the horses mouth no less. Yes, that means it's all our fault. People are afraid of losing their jobs, and so they do nothing; and so they get away with more than they should. To be clear though for those on the other side of the fence. I'm the employee who will usually say "yeah, sure boss. Just maybe give me some time to get down there, or cover my cab fare so I can get there faster." Heck, one employer literally drove down to get me just to get the shift covered without any lost time. But recently I've been getting flak from employers for even that sort of thing. (Getting a cab, or taking the bus I mean.) So, I don't care anymore. We have rules for a reason, and you all can follow them, or uphold them. Which ever may be the case for whoever is reading this.

You can walk, you can't verbally authenticate

DoreenMichele 4y ago

Sometimes you can. Especially in small towns where people know each other. That used to kinda be the norm.

Manu40 4y ago
I have a personal rule. If I can't walk there within an hour, or the bus itself takes more than an hour to get there; I won't even apply to the job. My method of thinking on this is that people with their own vehicle won't go much further than an hour away anyways, so why would I with a bike, my own two feet; or transit for that matter. It's not like the people they are hiring with vehicles are going to get there much faster if they own a vehicle taking the same amount of time. The only time this won't be true is if they live so close they really should be walking instead to save money.

Manu40 4y ago

Tell that to some of my past prospective employers. It's getting so bad, that some insist on being able to drive to work even if you live within 15 minutes walking distance. "But what about bad weather?" They ask. "I'll dress appropriately." I reply. 3 days later: Phone rings. "We're sorry, but we decided to go with someone better suited for the job." The job... was at a restaurant, as a cook. Cooks... don't need to be able to drive to work... usually. (There are maybe some jobs where driving would be ideal, or necessary, but let's be real here. Most don't need to be able to drive.)

supertrope 4y ago
I’m guessing “the bus was late” is a common excuse used by those who are frequently late to work. The issue here is that they mindlessly apply a filter of if you drive to work you pass if you don’t you fail. Employees with attendance issues can still use plenty of dumb excuses. A car itself provides several: car broke down, traffic was bad, snowy roads. Those issues don’t apply to someone who can walk in. Unfortunately not being a driver is not a protected class in the US.
- midasuni 4y ago
  Is traffic not a thing? Or a full parking lot?
- _c5eq 4y ago
  It's that, and more. It's also that they want to be able to rely on being able to call you in at any moments notice without any potential for excuses like "Well, it's going to take an hour to get there, because of the bus." or "I can't come in right now due to the weather on such short notice." Quite frankly, I think the entire restaurant industry (in Canada) needs to be audited for multiple reasons. Tax evasion, disobeying the law in regards to discrimination, etc. (Canadian laws) There may be some innocent owners caught in the crossfire, but if they truly are innocent in this case; they should be fine and worry free. It's not a line of logic I like to use in many things, but in this case it really is true.
- Tangurena2 4y ago
  I think far more common (in the fast food & retail industry) is the manager calling you up: "X called out sick, we need you to come in to do their shift, starting in 45 minutes." If the person lacks a car, then "I can't, buses don't run today" or "it will take me 90 minutes to get in by bus today". I once worked where I lacked a car. There were 3 buses going there in the morning. The next bus going there left downtown Denver at 4pm. Between 0545 and 1600 there was no bus service to that destination. Missing the 0430, 0505 or 0545 buses meant missing work that day. When I finally managed to get a car (legal problems), I got a new job within a month.
  - hinkley 4y ago
    We can agree that “cancel all of your plans for your day off on 45 minute’s notice” might be considered an abuse of power, right?
    - Manu40 4y ago
      Not the person you replied to, but yes. But the problem is that most people are spineless and don't use the proper channels of authority that oversee these sorts of things to ensure that employers are held to proper standards. Heck, here in Canada we have a tribunal system to deal with human rights abuses, even in the workplace; not just societal. And it gets underfunded due to be under utilized due to the very lack of backbone I speak of. What I am saying right now is right from the horses mouth no less. Yes, that means it's all our fault. People are afraid of losing their jobs, and so they do nothing; and so they get away with more than they should. To be clear though for those on the other side of the fence. I'm the employee who will usually say "yeah, sure boss. Just maybe give me some time to get down there, or cover my cab fare so I can get there faster." Heck, one employer literally drove down to get me just to get the shift covered without any lost time. But recently I've been getting flak from employers for even that sort of thing. (Getting a cab, or taking the bus I mean.) So, I don't care anymore. We have rules for a reason, and you all can follow them, or uphold them. Which ever may be the case for whoever is reading this.