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More Orwellian still, they edited articles that contained data inconvenient to the politically correct narrative and elite ideology. Edit: Here's an example.

• CodeSgt 4y ago
  Where was this?
• wavefunction 4y ago
  Any examples? Their blog post on the dating economy being skewed away from black women seemed to match with economic and social realities.
  • bragh 4y ago
    They do have memory-holed some very inconvenient blog posts, such as this https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ (probably exists somewhere on archive.org)
    • anon23anon 4y ago
      I was a regular reader of their blog. It was great. They had a bunch of data on how we data and they weren't afraid to let the data speak. This resulted in some ppl getting upset b/c they had to hear something that didn't fit their worldview.
      • throwaway289943 4y ago
    • flutas 4y ago
      > (probably exists somewhere on archive.org) Yep! https://web.archive.org/web/20091121080804/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2009/11/17/your-looks-and-online-dating/ https://web.archive.org/web/20091121080804/http://blog.okcup... God I love archive.org
      • dorfsmay 4y ago
        Me too. Please remember they are funded and can exist only through donations: https://archive.org/donate/ https://archive.org/donate/
      • lmm 4y ago
        I loved them when I trusted them to keep backups of things that were taken down like this, but the fact that they quickly removed KiwiFarms from their archive has dented my confidence a lot.
    • afavour 4y ago
      They've memory-holed (i.e. deleted) their entire old blog, no? It's disappointing but I think it's a stretch to describe that as Orwellian (as the OP did). At some point they just discarded all their old content, it's not that much of a conspiracy.
      • floor2 4y ago
        The motivation is what matters for the folks calling it Orwellian. If someone is deleting their posts because the facts don't align to the worldview of a religion, a political party, a corporation or some other powerful group, many people will be more concerned about that than if the posts had been deleted for more routine, functional business reasons.
      • WalterSear 4y ago
        Old content - that it still being discussed and would still be generating pageviews.
        • afavour 4y ago
          Entirely possible they don't care for the page views. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending it, I think it's a shame that interesting content like that gets pulled down but it's usually for boring corporate reasons (don't want to maintain the blog any more, they don't benefit from the pageviews) than conspiratorial Orwellian reasons.
          • thatguy0900 4y ago
            I don't think it's a orwellian conspiracy, they make money running a dating website and took down some old blogs that suggested online dating is really pretty rigged not in your favor for guys (their paying customers). You don't need some men in the shadows to explain why they took that down
  • afavour 4y ago
    Not sure why you're being downvoted for asking this, editing blog posts ought to be very easily traceable using archive.org.
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• Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
  Whats inconvinient to the pollitically correct narrative is people with 0 scientific literacy making bold claims about society based on surveys on extremely sampled social studies. Doing a study on how "dateable" black women are based on a specific dating app in 2010 is like making claims on everyones eating habits based on a survey on a Burger king drive through. It will probably not be a very good survey. They also took down the whole blog, people only remember the weird survey because it was an incel talking point seconds after it came out, specially in black pill groups arguing that giving up was the only alternative because OkCupid had "proved" that love was impossible for some and hypergamy or some other nonsense.
  • newZWhoDis 4y ago
    Why was OP flagged and mass reported? You had a sensible reply but now most can’t even see the discussion. Dang really needs to get this place back on track
    • Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
      I would assume because it skirts quite close to some of the comment guideline rules for example: >Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies, generic tangents, and internet tropes. I assume the use of orwellian, and the attempt at bringing in political correctness probably raised some flags. I had a sensible reply but tbh I have discussed those blog posts multiple times in this site, so it gets to a point where 10 years in they are still being wrongly discussed you just wanna report and move on with your day.
    • freedomben 4y ago
      It's back now, so I think it shows the system working. Controversial posts like this one used to just die and disappear forever but now with "vouch" option some things deserving come back to life. Not perfect obviously, but on the right track IMHO.
      • newZWhoDis 4y ago
        When do you get vouch capability?
• RajT88 4y ago
  I don't see how the bisexual statistic is politically incorrect. It makes sense, considering the self-professed "bisexuals" I've known, which are well known as well in liberal-leaning circles: 1. Young women who pretend to be Bi to get more attention from Men 2. People who pretend to be Bi to avoid having to completely come out of the closet There's actually a saying in the gay community for the latter, "Bi now, gay later!"
  • marpstar 4y ago
    I think it's better labeled "heteroflexible", or engaging in physical contact/sex with a same-sex person (for the dopamine), but have no "romantic" attraction to same-sex people.
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  • auveair 4y ago
    > There's actually a saying in the gay community for the latter, "Bi now, gay later!" I think by gay community you meant asshole gay people, I've been waiting for a very long while now to turn gay (I'm a bisexual dude). > I don't see how the bisexual statistic is politically incorrect. Not politically incorrect, just deeply ignorant.
  • Scarblac 4y ago
    I know some bi people who seem to switch their main preference every few years. That could also look like this. And as for the second, that may not be a conscious decision, right? People discover more about their own orientation over time.
  • claudiawerner 4y ago
    I feel like that sort of expression encourages biphobia; even if 'genuine' (whatever that means) bi people are rare, an expression like "Bi now, gay later" perfectly plays into long lasting tropes such as bisexuality being "just a phase", something which bisexuals such as myself have spent a long time trying to overcome. To add on that, studies like the ones mentioned only reveal so much; there are a few good reasons why one might only search for one gender or the other online and in a particular place.
• auveair 4y ago
  The bisexual thing was pretty stupid and pretty revealing how much this blog post was bullshit, there was a bunch of reason why you would pick one gender as a bisexual, especially if online dating was just to meet more of the gender you wanted. But a bi dude, in 2010 you simply wouldn't get match with women if you write bi and plenty of gay dude would turn you down as well, so you just wouldn't bother and write gay or straight eventually. Edit: removed today
  • skyyler 4y ago
    >But a bi dude, in 2010 (and still today) you simply wouldn't get match with women if you write bi This is simply not true. Maybe I'm just hot enough to overcome the queer disgust? I don't feel like I'm that hot.
    • yamazakiwi 4y ago
      Depends on where you live and what age your dating pool is.
    • auveair 4y ago
      > This is simply not true. I removed the point about today since I haven't been dating in a few years, but I stand by the 2010 comment, you could find a few female stars being openly bisexual for example but it was incredibly rare for male stars, which is indicative of how hot it was perceived at the time.
      • skyyler 4y ago
        My lived experience just completely disagrees with what you are saying. Perhaps it's an age difference thing. The gay men have had more of a problem with me than the straight ladies. I gravitate towards bi/pan people anyways due to my androgynous features.
        • auveair 4y ago
          I don't know how old you are, but anyway it seems you are starting with a pretty good crowd, if you're not ugly, androgynous (sought after) and dating in an understanding pool, which is your own orientation. I see where you are coming from but it doesn't seem like it warranted the blanket dismissal you started with. For what it's worth I found a blog post referring to that phenomenon from a few years ago which talks about a poll conducted in Glamour Magazine: https://web.archive.org/web/20160320094402/https://www.pride.com/bisexual/2016/3/17/no-mens-land-when-women-wont-date-bisexual-guys https://web.archive.org/web/20160320094402/https://www.pride...
• sangnoir 4y ago
  > “I’m bisexual.” REALITY: 80% of self-identified bisexuals are only interested in one gender This isn't the slam dunk it appears to be. A dietary equivalent would be "X% of self-professed omnivores avoid vegetarian dishes". They are open to the idea, but still have preferences. Just because one is open to the superset, doesn't mean they assign each subset equal weight.
  • webmobdev 4y ago
    That does sound a more sensible interpretation to me. I know many in India (where vegetarian diets are prevalent) who eat meat occasionally when they suddenly crave for it, but are mostly inclined towards a veg diet. And they think of cannot eat non-veg foods for all three meals or even continuously every day for even a week unlike some others who can't do without meat in a meal. Perhaps bisexuality is also a spectrum rather than a 50-50 thing?
  • hezralig 4y ago
    Or, I eat $x at home, I am looking for $y on this service. There are plenty of bisexual people I know that have open arrangements who are in relationships with a partner of one sex and are only permitted by that partner to date people of another sex by that partner (because fear of competition/jealousy reasons). Some people only want romantic relationships with a partner of one sex while hookups with another. Some people have bi-cycles. Some people are attracted to a person of their own gender 80% of the time and another 20% of the time.
    • fennecfoxy 4y ago
      Many people, including myself, don't find the whole "cycles"/percentage thing attractive, though. Especially for a longer term relationship, why would you want to date someone who loved you for who you were only part of the time? Especially seeing as its something you can't change about yourself. In reality I've generally found that many "bi" guys are just waiting for a "real" relationship with a chick, while doing guys on the side. Hell, even outside of relationships, most bi guys I've met would pick a chick over a guy 9 times out of 10. Some of that is due to the fact it's a lot rarer/harder for them to hook up with a chick vs a dude (latter being more open and free with sex). If someone is bi, has a romantic/sexual preference for both and experiences periods where they really do prefer one or the other then a traditional relationship is probably not going to work best for them; something poly or very open seems like the batter option, where their partner is aware and agrees to it.
• aeturnum 4y ago
  >"I’m bisexual.” REALITY: 80% of self-identified bisexuals are only interested in one gender. >People who describe themselves as bisexual overwhelmingly message either one sex or the other, not both as you might expect. Yes, I remember this. It was sad to see such basic logic errors from OKC. It seems a little like saying that heterosexuality is a myth because all "heterosexual" people prefer some bodies over others. Bisexual means you are attracted to both masculine and feminine people. It does not imply a 50 / 50 split, or that you want to date everyone equally. The Match.com Orwellian activity aside - that critique was always very odd.
• silverwasthere 4y ago
  I use straight dominated apps for straight dating and gay dominated apps for gay dating so my usage would basically agree with their majority statistic. It's how I use the tools not who I am, though.
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• sam0x17 4y ago
  > People who describe themselves as bisexual overwhelmingly message either one sex or the other, not both as you might expect. I don't think you can draw the conclusions from this people seem to be. Think about it. If you are genuinely attracted to both genders, then you can choose. If you're pursuing a goal (like a relationship) you're going to have some ideal you're going after, so you're probably going to pick a gender to look for for any particular period of time. I think it would be actually very uncommon to actively seek both at the same time, especially since there are cultural/societal considerations tied up with this. If you genuinely like both deciding to pursue a particular gender doesn't invalidate the fact that you could just as genuinely pursue the other. Society dictates that pursing one or the other are of varying difficulty, but this has nothing to do with the legitimacy of how you feel about the other. Bi-sexual people I've known follow this pattern -- they'll pursue one gender for 6 months to the year, and then re-bound with the other, then maybe stick with that one for a while, rinse and repeat. Since most people only use dating services for a short while, this would probably look as described above in aggregate.
• Retric 4y ago
  Bi isn’t an all or nothing thing. Men are well known to enter same sex relationships when in restricted environments long term such as sailing ships or prison, but not everyone is that flexible. Women do the same with a lesser known example being elderly women swapping because of the shrinking dating pool. So, self identifying as bi shouldn’t be taken as having zero gender preferences nor should we assume peoples preferences are static through time. People may be in a committed relationship and seek partners of the a different gender etc.
• bundze 4y ago
  There are multiple reasons why someone would prefer to date only one gender while actually bisexual. I know a person who is bisexual and only dates the opposite gender because they don't want to deal with backlash from their conservative family and because they prefer to start a traditional family one day. I do feel like that may be a popular issue so I wouldn't expect that a bisexual person would message both genders equally, like this article absurdly claims.
• rafaelero 4y ago
  Cool data. Isn't there something more up to date?
• watwut 4y ago
  That implication is not logical. It is unreasonable to expect bisexuals to seek 50/50 gender split. First, even if the actual attraction is same for both genders, it would be reasonable to expect bisexuals to seek opposite gender partners way more. Pretty much anyone who wants bio children need opposite sex partner. Pretty much anyone who don't want to deal with stigma around gayness too kuch will prefer opposite gender partner. Second, bisexuality does not mean the attraction is same. It it fairly normal for bisexual to be attacted toany people from one gender and few from the other. It is also fairly normal foe them to have periods where they go for one gender only (either as conscious decision or not).
  • nicbou 4y ago
    Besides, what did they actually look at? According to a friend, it's a lot easier to get a male date, even if you're more interested in women. How would that affect the 80% figure?
• fennecfoxy 4y ago
  Yeah, I'm gay & bi guys in the gay community complain that they're not as accepted, which to some degree is definitely true. But the number of "bi" guys who want to bang guys on the side while looking for a "real" relationship with a woman is staggering. I try to avoid them at all costs; I'm not a fleshlight/something to discard. I feel like the gay community needs to treat bi guys better but at the same time bi guys need to take a look at themselves and consider if they're romantically bi, or just sexually bi because they just want to fulfil their sexual needs (which is much easier with guys obviously).