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Cars delivered today without USS will not have: "Park Assist: alerts you of surrounding objects when the vehicle is traveling <5 mph." (among other features lik
by sxates 4y ago
Cars delivered today without USS will not have: "Park Assist: alerts you of surrounding objects when the vehicle is traveling <5 mph." (among other features like Summon)
This is the most basic feature that almost every car has had for years - but not your $60k Model Y. Why can't they wait to remove sensors until they've achieved feature parity with the vision only system? This seems crazy.
I don't really understand the push to do everything through the cameras. This has caused other problems too - like their decision to control automatic wipers with just the camera. Which meant in my Model 3, the automatic wipers were erratic and ineffective while in every other car with a normal $5 rain sensor the feature worked great.
- joewadcan 4y agoBecause if the hardware isn't available they can't deliver the car and recognize the revenue. They can wait, but if they're gonna remove it anyway it lets them make more cars with less costs in shorter time. Seems logical if it is indeed parity.
- drcongo 4y ago
- phire 4y agoIt's most likely a hardware availablity issue. They have run out of sensors, and they don't want to pause production until they have produced more.
- pstuart 4y agoSeems like the "upstanding" thing to do would be to ship without (and credit for the omission) and offer free retrofit once available.
- sf_rob 4y agoMy understanding is that Ford has done this for non-critical features as of late.
- langsoul-com 4y agoThat would be an extreme logistical and costly nightmare. Tesla doesn't operate the dealership model, which all tend to double up as a service station. So it's far more difficult for customers to get to the telsa service stations. Since there's less, that also means they'd be insane waits when the product comes back in.
- hef19898 4y agoSo they decided to ship cars with paid for features missing and now try to cover that with, IMHO misleading, marketing announcements.
- hef19898 4y agoAt the same time, all other manufacturers stopped production until parts were available again. Which is the reasonable thing to do. Only they got ridiculed for how bad the supply chains are, because Tesla continued shipping, that Tesla shipped what is normally considered half finished cars was blissfully ignored.
- avidphantasm 4y agoI guess they think their computer vision and AI can catch up to and exceed the visual processing capabilities of vertebrates with their millions of years of evolution. I think they are wrong. Multi-media sensor data fusion is the only sane path for the foreseeable future, in my lay opinion.
- jjcon 4y ago>an catch up to and exceed the visual processing capabilities of vertebrates with their millions of years of evolution I mean tons of technology outperforms humans by a mile... plenty of other computer vision systems already outperform people so not sure why Tesla would be exempt here due to 'evolution'.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoBecause driving isn't some narrow task. It has a lot of variability in conditions. Human brain is very adaptable, yet we require 16+ years of training before they can take the wheel.
- jjcon 4y agoI'm not disagreeing that the task is difficult but this topic isn't about general driving - this is about replacing ultrasonic sensors with visual systems. Evolutionary arguments are meaningless here since we outperform evolution all the time even with hand engineered visual systems, let alone ML derived ones.
- tsimionescu 4y agoWe don't have any computer vision system that outperforms mammals, let alone humans, at general vision, Tesla or not - especially on real 3D vision. We do have computer systems that outperform humans at extremely specialized tasks, such as facial recognition in photos.
- jjcon 4y agoAgain though - these sensors performed a highly specialized task - there is no inherent reason Tesla wouldn’t be able to outperform them with a specialized visual system
- nicbou 4y agoPardon me for being out of touch, but cars park themselves now? That's pretty neat
- fh973 4y agoMy 10 year old VW Touran can do it reliably, with only ultrasonic sensors.
- nicbou 4y agoDoes it drive itself and parallel park?
- ehnto 4y agoAnother thing I missed the memo for, 360 degree birds eye view cameras. Game changer for parking.
- marcins 4y agoOf course also missing from the Tesla due to the lack of a front bumper camera that would allow for it...
- dzhiurgis 4y agoIn some weird way having multiple cameras + touchscreen, smaller mirrors and beeping parking sensors made it all much more distracting. I used to parallel park in seconds, now it's an ordeal. Life is difficult without backup camera tho.
- bdcravens 4y agoI chose an EV6 over a Model 3, and every day I'm given reasons as to why that was the right choice.
- mrguyorama 4y agoMy 2018 VW GTI locked that functionality behind a several thousand dollar interior package or a few hundred dollar dealer software update :( . I literally have the sensors and software, it's just turned off because I don't like leather seats.