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Interesting! That reminds me of a similar arrangement I dealt with in Fast Food. Back in 2008 I was working at a Wendy's where the majority of the staff would
by Unselect6889 4y ago
Interesting! That reminds me of a similar arrangement I dealt with in Fast Food.
Back in 2008 I was working at a Wendy's where the majority of the staff would routinely "resubmit" their applications. I don't know the intricacies of the process, but the way it was explained to me was roughly something like this:
1) Illegal fills out application using a fake SSN
2) (Physical) Paperwork gets reviewed by manager, to make sure everything is filled out. Wait on sending it until they are bugged by corporate to submit the "new" employee applications
3) Send it to corporate
4) Corporate goes through a stack of however many "new" employee applications they have received across the region. Let's assume it's 10,000+
5) After corporate reviews the "new" employee applications, they gather up the names and SSNs, which are sent off to some sort of verification system
6) An error is thrown out and sent back to corporate saying that the name and address doesn't match the SSN provided. Corporate waits to send this information for a few days/weeks, depending on how many they are processing at a given time
7) The store receives a rejection notification sometime later
8) Wait about 1 week or so until corporate starts complaining, return to step 1
Some of the guys I was working with had gone through this process for - no joke - at least 2 to 3 years. Since they were continually seen as "new" employees, there was no sort of issue with firing previous employees or anything like that. It also didn't hurt that different information was being provided each time. After all, corporate had no way of claiming that Jose Guzman at 123 fake street, with SSN 123-45-6789 was the same Jose Guzman at 123 fake street, with SSN 987-65-4321, since they didn't want to be accused of racism.
It wasn't so much a problem to be resolved, as it is a "discrepancy" to be "corrected". The only correction needed was to have the "new" employee resubmit their application.
On a side-note, I'm not exactly sure how any of this worked, but it also led to the "new" employees making about $3 per hour. I accidentally left a paycheck out at one point, and one of the Spanish guys saw it and flipped out, yelled to the other guys, and they all started flipping out too. I guess they were under the impression that minimum wage was whatever the managers told them it was? I felt bad for them, in a way, since they were working extremely long days, but they were also not paying any taxes, sleeping on the job, and would flee the country once their home was built back in their home country. Basically, they were treated poorly, but they were also standing to save up about a full decades worth of money by stealing from the country they broke into illegally. I don't really hold any hostility over them doing that, I just don't hold much sympathy either.
- excitom 4y agoYou lost me at "stealing from the country they broke into illegally." I see people working hard to try to improve their and their families' lives. Surely the employer is deducting for income tax, SS tax, and medicare tax from their paychecks, and they will not see an income tax "refund" next April nor will they ever collect SS nor Medicare benefits. And if the employer is not making these deductions then who is doing the "stealing" exactly?
- imwillofficial 4y agoThe people not paying the taxes after committing tax fraud? Also all the corp employees who facilities this fraud.
- lazide 4y agoWage workers generally have taxes withheld involuntarily, at least unless someone makes them manually override it. Interestingly, that seems to trigger the taxman to start looking, which is when folks get busted. It’s in some mentioned anecdotes and articles here. Even more interesting? If they instead just abandon the withheld taxes, no one seems interested in actually fixing the problem. It would be trivial to mandate employers do realtime submissions of the employment eligibility paperwork for instance, but it’s actually illegal to send it to anyone, or attempt to do anything more with that information (like have a service somewhere that tracks these things and notifies employers of obviously invalid cases like a SSN being used across 5 states for 50 different job applications at different employers at once). A cynical person would say it’s because as long as the people who need to be paid are getting paid, unskilled labor is cheap and easy to scare/boss around, illegal immigration is not actually a problem, but an opportunity for them.
- 1659447091 4y agoWouldn't it put them in tax exempt bracket if they are making $3/hr? Not an accountant so really not sure about these things, but thought under a certain amount, you don't pay taxes.
- Unselect6889 4y ago