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Half of all the fighting is Internet propaganda.

by aritmo 4y ago

sylware 4y ago
Mis-information to a point most of the world has no idea why they are killing each other over there. Non-sense at all. Reality check: russia has nukes. For all countries in the world which do not have a nuclear umbrella (aka, if they are attacked, a set of nuclear countries will nuke the attacker... and will die with the attacker and you too due to nuclear mutual anihilation). When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen.
- trasz 4y ago
  North Korea also got nukes. Should we allow it to invade South Korea if it wants to? Also: Russia is not USSR. I find it highly questionable that a country that can’t even manufacture ordinary cars has the capability to refurbish nuclear warheads.
  - sylware 4y ago
    North Korea: who is "we"? As far as I know, North Korea could nuke South Korea, but for what? They would not occupy South Korea, they could use South Korea as slaves (but I don't think China would let that happen). And as far as I know, South Korea is not a member of any nuclear umbrella treaty. Same goes for any asian country. omg... did you see the massive vehicules carrying 20 nukes ballistic missiles russia can manufacture. Putin's regime will very probably get "what" it wants (yeah... "what" is blurry at best)
    - trasz 4y ago
      Putin’s regime can’t occupy Ukraine either. They only want to destroy superior Ukrainian nation. So once again, should we allow NK to do what Russia is doing, ie destroy South Korea, with impunity? Also, not sure if you are following the war at all, but Russia is falling terribly. Of the three fronts opened they already lost two. They hadn’t had any meaningful advances for many months now, despite throwing in everything they had. We aren’t talking about Putin’s regime achieving some wins, we are talking about Russia surviving in its current shape.
      - sylware 4y ago
        Who is "we"? In "should we allow"... NK can nuke SK whenever they want since SK has no nuclear umbrella, same goes for any asian country. That said, I wonder how China would react. I don't see putin's regime occupying the whole ukraine, but some territories with pro-putin's regime ukrainians... which would actually become part of russia. That seems perfectly realistic. They did not throw everything they had: nukes. And the failing of putin's army is extremely dangerous. He could use nukes to account for the failing of its army. That's why it is urgent to find a way out of this weird, really weird conflict.
        trasz 4y ago
        “We” is, at this point, humanity. Russia no longer has allies that matter, in particular China and Kazakhstan are against the invasion. Same would be the case with NK. Nukes are not a magic wand. They don’t guarantee victory - in fact, it’s perfectly reasonable to oppose them using conventional means, given a colossal weapons imbalance between NATO and Russia. And that’s again assuming that “Nigeria with nukes” can refurbish them, which is doubtful, and that assumptions of MAD are still true, which is doubtful as well.
        sylware 4y ago
        Ok, then how this "humanity" will block putin's regime to use nukes? "magic" or "super heroes"? And now nukes don't guarantee victory? ...
        trasz 4y ago
        You might want to do some reading about how nuclear warfare works.
        sylware 4y ago
        dude... it is not the cold war: one "side" has nukes, the other side nil. And actually, there is so much disinformation, I am not even sure of the meaning of "sides" here. I play dota2, mixed ukrainian-russian pro teams are from the best in the world and are _currently_ competing. All of them will be traitors in their respective country??? All that does not make any sense. Hope a way out of this weird conflict is found soon.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen. If Russia even blinks at a nuke in Ukraine they will lose the war and likely also collapse within a small number of years. The Americans have made it clear that any use of a nuke in Ukraine will be met with overwhelming force, and realistically they have to follow through. If someone doesn't respond then any nuclear country (of which there are many) can now just nuke someone when they don't get their way, throwing a tantrum like a child.
  - sylware 4y ago
    A "overwhelming force"? Able to scare putin with his russian nukes? "magic"? "Super Heroes"? And this is exactly what I said: any dictatorship with nukes can go to war with any country in the world which has no nuclear umbrella from a significant nuclear country. It means that significant nuclear country is ok to anihilate the attacker and die in the process (assured mutual nuclear destruction).
- yongjik 4y ago
  You start with a (valid) complaint about misinformation, utter "Reality check", and then conclude with this which has never happened in the history of mankind? > When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used I think you're just adding to the sea of misinformation.
  - sylware 4y ago
    This is not misinformation. This is a prediction attempt.

Half of all the fighting is Internet propaganda.

by aritmo 4y ago

Half of all the fighting is Internet propaganda.

Mis-information to a point most of the world has no idea why they are killing each other over there. Non-sense at all. Reality check: russia has nukes. For all countries in the world which do not have a nuclear umbrella (aka, if they are attacked, a set of nuclear countries will nuke the attacker... and will die with the attacker and you too due to nuclear mutual anihilation). When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen.

trasz 4y ago
North Korea also got nukes. Should we allow it to invade South Korea if it wants to? Also: Russia is not USSR. I find it highly questionable that a country that can’t even manufacture ordinary cars has the capability to refurbish nuclear warheads.
- sylware 4y ago
  North Korea: who is "we"? As far as I know, North Korea could nuke South Korea, but for what? They would not occupy South Korea, they could use South Korea as slaves (but I don't think China would let that happen). And as far as I know, South Korea is not a member of any nuclear umbrella treaty. Same goes for any asian country. omg... did you see the massive vehicules carrying 20 nukes ballistic missiles russia can manufacture. Putin's regime will very probably get "what" it wants (yeah... "what" is blurry at best)
  - trasz 4y ago
    Putin’s regime can’t occupy Ukraine either. They only want to destroy superior Ukrainian nation. So once again, should we allow NK to do what Russia is doing, ie destroy South Korea, with impunity? Also, not sure if you are following the war at all, but Russia is falling terribly. Of the three fronts opened they already lost two. They hadn’t had any meaningful advances for many months now, despite throwing in everything they had. We aren’t talking about Putin’s regime achieving some wins, we are talking about Russia surviving in its current shape.
    - sylware 4y ago
      Who is "we"? In "should we allow"... NK can nuke SK whenever they want since SK has no nuclear umbrella, same goes for any asian country. That said, I wonder how China would react. I don't see putin's regime occupying the whole ukraine, but some territories with pro-putin's regime ukrainians... which would actually become part of russia. That seems perfectly realistic. They did not throw everything they had: nukes. And the failing of putin's army is extremely dangerous. He could use nukes to account for the failing of its army. That's why it is urgent to find a way out of this weird, really weird conflict.
      - trasz 4y ago
        “We” is, at this point, humanity. Russia no longer has allies that matter, in particular China and Kazakhstan are against the invasion. Same would be the case with NK. Nukes are not a magic wand. They don’t guarantee victory - in fact, it’s perfectly reasonable to oppose them using conventional means, given a colossal weapons imbalance between NATO and Russia. And that’s again assuming that “Nigeria with nukes” can refurbish them, which is doubtful, and that assumptions of MAD are still true, which is doubtful as well.
        sylware 4y ago
        Ok, then how this "humanity" will block putin's regime to use nukes? "magic" or "super heroes"? And now nukes don't guarantee victory? ...
        trasz 4y ago
        You might want to do some reading about how nuclear warfare works.
        sylware 4y ago
        dude... it is not the cold war: one "side" has nukes, the other side nil. And actually, there is so much disinformation, I am not even sure of the meaning of "sides" here. I play dota2, mixed ukrainian-russian pro teams are from the best in the world and are _currently_ competing. All of them will be traitors in their respective country??? All that does not make any sense. Hope a way out of this weird conflict is found soon.
_kbh_ 4y ago
> When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used (maybe "small" tactical nukes at first). Ukraine army is now millions being weaponized from all over the world and started to really resist. If that becomes too much for the army of putin's regime, we all know what will happen. If Russia even blinks at a nuke in Ukraine they will lose the war and likely also collapse within a small number of years. The Americans have made it clear that any use of a nuke in Ukraine will be met with overwhelming force, and realistically they have to follow through. If someone doesn't respond then any nuclear country (of which there are many) can now just nuke someone when they don't get their way, throwing a tantrum like a child.
- sylware 4y ago
  A "overwhelming force"? Able to scare putin with his russian nukes? "magic"? "Super Heroes"? And this is exactly what I said: any dictatorship with nukes can go to war with any country in the world which has no nuclear umbrella from a significant nuclear country. It means that significant nuclear country is ok to anihilate the attacker and die in the process (assured mutual nuclear destruction).
yongjik 4y ago
You start with a (valid) complaint about misinformation, utter "Reality check", and then conclude with this which has never happened in the history of mankind? > When a dictatorship with nukes attacks a country without a nuclear umbrella, if too much resistance is encountered, nukes will probably be used I think you're just adding to the sea of misinformation.
- sylware 4y ago
  This is not misinformation. This is a prediction attempt.