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The police is and was never here to protect us, in the USA.

mc32 4y ago
Just about any place on earth. You will not get better treatment by police in Spain, Mexico, China, Ukraine, Italy, Russia, South Africa, Japan, Romania, South Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Germany, etc., etc. In fact, it's likely to be worse in all those places. Canada, Scandinavia you're likely to be treated better but that's about it.
- trasz 4y ago
  Erm, what? In Europe police shooting random people on streets is unheard of. Same with China.
  - einherjae 4y ago
    Carrying guns is a lot less common, even among criminals, hence escalation dynamics become easier. Not really feasible to put the 2. Amendment Pandora’s box back together to get similar logistics in the US I fear.
    - trasz 4y ago
      I’m not sure it’s just that. Explosives availability isn’t much different (I think), and yet I don’t remember European police bombing a city quarter.
      - einherjae 4y ago
        As far as i know, explosives are hard to get, excepting fireworks and home made stuff, but even that has some regulation.
- devteambravo 4y ago
  They're doing it too so we should also? That's monkey logic, we've evolved. How many of these countries you just listed have you lived in or been to?
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    > They're doing it too so we should also? It's the new logic. We may be doing the bad thing, but our worst enemies also do the bad thing, therefore the bad thing is good q.e.d.
  - mc32 4y ago
    It's not about them doing it too; it's acknowledging that the issue is not particular to one place to better understand the complexity of the issue. Most people in the US believe the US is particularly bad when it comes to policing but that is not true. Could we be better? Yes. Are we uniquely bad? No.
- SapporoChris 4y ago
  https://www.wonderslist.com/countries-worst-police-brutality/ https://www.wonderslist.com/countries-worst-police-brutality... https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-ki... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1274278/trust-in-police-worldwide-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1274278/trust-in-police-... I don't know, seems pretty debatable. It also probably depends on your ethnicity.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Most of those countries listed while they have multiple ethnicities, the police cannot tell one ethnicity from the other, readily, so I don't think it's a big factor (outside Brazil), so yeah, Egypt and Pakistan have ethnicities that hate each other, but the police don't filter for ethnicity and then deliver violence, they are just violent. Also, police mistreatment is not only killings (which can be sometimes be justified and other times not) but also rights violations and other lesser violence. For example, you are extremely unlikely to be killed by Japanese police (they can bet perps will not have weapons) but once you get arrested, you have very few rights. Other places are rife with bribery and corruption (Mexico, Brazil). In Spain you might get the rubberhose treatment, and anecdotally, I know someone who got a very nice dog sicked on to them by the police in Germany (it looked like you were running away!).
    - PraetorianGourd 4y ago
      I think the fact that you are familiar with stark racial divides has attenuated your sense for how perceptive hate can be. I know Irish who can tell an Irish Traveler from a non-Traveler in seconds, and accurately. Hate can be so easily fine-tuned.

mc32 4y ago

Just about any place on earth. You will not get better treatment by police in Spain, Mexico, China, Ukraine, Italy, Russia, South Africa, Japan, Romania, South Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Germany, etc., etc. In fact, it's likely to be worse in all those places. Canada, Scandinavia you're likely to be treated better but that's about it.

trasz 4y ago
Erm, what? In Europe police shooting random people on streets is unheard of. Same with China.
- einherjae 4y ago
  Carrying guns is a lot less common, even among criminals, hence escalation dynamics become easier. Not really feasible to put the 2. Amendment Pandora’s box back together to get similar logistics in the US I fear.
  - trasz 4y ago
    I’m not sure it’s just that. Explosives availability isn’t much different (I think), and yet I don’t remember European police bombing a city quarter.
    - einherjae 4y ago
      As far as i know, explosives are hard to get, excepting fireworks and home made stuff, but even that has some regulation.
devteambravo 4y ago
They're doing it too so we should also? That's monkey logic, we've evolved. How many of these countries you just listed have you lived in or been to?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > They're doing it too so we should also? It's the new logic. We may be doing the bad thing, but our worst enemies also do the bad thing, therefore the bad thing is good q.e.d.
- mc32 4y ago
  It's not about them doing it too; it's acknowledging that the issue is not particular to one place to better understand the complexity of the issue. Most people in the US believe the US is particularly bad when it comes to policing but that is not true. Could we be better? Yes. Are we uniquely bad? No.
SapporoChris 4y ago
https://www.wonderslist.com/countries-worst-police-brutality/ https://www.wonderslist.com/countries-worst-police-brutality... https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-killings-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-ki... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1274278/trust-in-police-worldwide-by-country/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1274278/trust-in-police-... I don't know, seems pretty debatable. It also probably depends on your ethnicity.
- mc32 4y ago
  Most of those countries listed while they have multiple ethnicities, the police cannot tell one ethnicity from the other, readily, so I don't think it's a big factor (outside Brazil), so yeah, Egypt and Pakistan have ethnicities that hate each other, but the police don't filter for ethnicity and then deliver violence, they are just violent. Also, police mistreatment is not only killings (which can be sometimes be justified and other times not) but also rights violations and other lesser violence. For example, you are extremely unlikely to be killed by Japanese police (they can bet perps will not have weapons) but once you get arrested, you have very few rights. Other places are rife with bribery and corruption (Mexico, Brazil). In Spain you might get the rubberhose treatment, and anecdotally, I know someone who got a very nice dog sicked on to them by the police in Germany (it looked like you were running away!).
  - PraetorianGourd 4y ago
    I think the fact that you are familiar with stark racial divides has attenuated your sense for how perceptive hate can be. I know Irish who can tell an Irish Traveler from a non-Traveler in seconds, and accurately. Hate can be so easily fine-tuned.