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it really is just the foreign aspect of it. the meta apps, google apps, uber, etc all do the exact same things. They just aren't owned by a foreign nation

adamrezich 4y ago
they're also not as inherently addictive. TikTok is the best drug in town, nobody does it better. can't get my fiancée off the damn thing
- foverzar 4y ago
  Instagram wasn't much different back when it was a new thing. I don't remember Facebooks launch that good, but somehow I have an impression that it was just as addictive, until people got used to it and got bored.
  - adamrezich 4y ago
    have you used both? Instagram has improved over the years but TikTok still blows it away. it's an infinite feed of visually attractive bullshit that you can scroll through smooth as butter—the ultimate cyberdrug.
godelski 4y ago
I think this is rather naive. I agree that the foreign aspect is an important component but let's also recognize that TikTok's success is because they are so successful at this data collection and manipulation. There's two reasons to target TikTok specifically. 1) Foreign influence 2) they are top dog. Let's also recognize that Uber is not collecting data on what you watch and what social activities you participate in. Google and Meta are much better examples than Uber. But Google and Meta have also not captivated the attention economy of people the same way as TikTok has. You go after the worst offenders and it is clear that TikTok is the worst offender before you include the foreign aspect.
- bryceacc 4y ago
  >Let's also recognize that Uber is not collecting data on what you watch and what social activities you participate in sure about that? How about these "social activities" https://money.cnn.com/2014/11/25/technology/uber-prostitutes/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2014/11/25/technology/uber-prostitutes...
- foverzar 4y ago
  > But Google and Meta have also not captivated the attention economy of people the same way as TikTok has. You go after the worst offenders and it is clear that TikTok is the worst offender before you include the foreign aspect. How is it "clear"? TikToks functionality in this matter seems to have barely scratched the surface of what Meta, Google and Twitter had been doing for years.
1over137 4y ago
For most of us, they (Meta, Google, Tik Tok) are all foreign.
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Schroedingersat 4y ago
Meta, google, uber, etc should be considered equivalent to hostile foreign powers and there are 194 countries in which they report to foreign intelligence service.
kornhole 4y ago
I would be more comfortable with all that collection if it remained in China, a far away government that has much less control over me than my own. However, the data they collect is shared with and used by the same domestic corporations and government agencies.
- djvdq 4y ago
  What a naive thinking. Of course China has control over you through TikTok. What if they will modify an algorithm to make you vote for right people that they want you to vote? You’d think that they don’t have any control over you when in fact you’ll be used as their useful idiot
  - kornhole 4y ago
    I am not a product of any corporate or government controlled social media. However if I had to be one, being influenced by China rather than US corporations seems better. The two US parties have no substantive difference on economic and foreign policy. So I can't see why the CCP would care which one wins which election.
    - bryceacc 4y ago
      >The two US parties have no substantive difference on economic and foreign policy .............. what. I can't believe how wrong that statement is: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6/the-economy-under-democratic-vs-republican-presidents https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6... https://www.thebalancemoney.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839 https://www.thebalancemoney.com/democrats-vs-republicans-whi... https://thehill.com/policy/international/516856-republicans-democrats-split-on-foreign-policy-priorities-poll/ https://thehill.com/policy/international/516856-republicans-...
    - djvdq 4y ago
      Yeah, better to be influenced by Chineese, then start to belive what you see, then start to think how they want you to think, and then vote for people they want you to vote. Perfect useful idiot, congratulations.

adamrezich 4y ago

they're also not as inherently addictive. TikTok is the best drug in town, nobody does it better. can't get my fiancée off the damn thing

foverzar 4y ago
Instagram wasn't much different back when it was a new thing. I don't remember Facebooks launch that good, but somehow I have an impression that it was just as addictive, until people got used to it and got bored.
- adamrezich 4y ago
  have you used both? Instagram has improved over the years but TikTok still blows it away. it's an infinite feed of visually attractive bullshit that you can scroll through smooth as butter—the ultimate cyberdrug.

godelski 4y ago

I think this is rather naive. I agree that the foreign aspect is an important component but let's also recognize that TikTok's success is because they are so successful at this data collection and manipulation. There's two reasons to target TikTok specifically. 1) Foreign influence 2) they are top dog. Let's also recognize that Uber is not collecting data on what you watch and what social activities you participate in. Google and Meta are much better examples than Uber. But Google and Meta have also not captivated the attention economy of people the same way as TikTok has. You go after the worst offenders and it is clear that TikTok is the worst offender before you include the foreign aspect.

bryceacc 4y ago
>Let's also recognize that Uber is not collecting data on what you watch and what social activities you participate in sure about that? How about these "social activities" https://money.cnn.com/2014/11/25/technology/uber-prostitutes/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2014/11/25/technology/uber-prostitutes...
foverzar 4y ago
> But Google and Meta have also not captivated the attention economy of people the same way as TikTok has. You go after the worst offenders and it is clear that TikTok is the worst offender before you include the foreign aspect. How is it "clear"? TikToks functionality in this matter seems to have barely scratched the surface of what Meta, Google and Twitter had been doing for years.

1over137 4y ago

For most of us, they (Meta, Google, Tik Tok) are all foreign.

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Schroedingersat 4y ago

Meta, google, uber, etc should be considered equivalent to hostile foreign powers and there are 194 countries in which they report to foreign intelligence service.

kornhole 4y ago

I would be more comfortable with all that collection if it remained in China, a far away government that has much less control over me than my own. However, the data they collect is shared with and used by the same domestic corporations and government agencies.

djvdq 4y ago
What a naive thinking. Of course China has control over you through TikTok. What if they will modify an algorithm to make you vote for right people that they want you to vote? You’d think that they don’t have any control over you when in fact you’ll be used as their useful idiot
- kornhole 4y ago
  I am not a product of any corporate or government controlled social media. However if I had to be one, being influenced by China rather than US corporations seems better. The two US parties have no substantive difference on economic and foreign policy. So I can't see why the CCP would care which one wins which election.
  - bryceacc 4y ago
    >The two US parties have no substantive difference on economic and foreign policy .............. what. I can't believe how wrong that statement is: https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6/the-economy-under-democratic-vs-republican-presidents https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2016/6... https://www.thebalancemoney.com/democrats-vs-republicans-which-is-better-for-the-economy-4771839 https://www.thebalancemoney.com/democrats-vs-republicans-whi... https://thehill.com/policy/international/516856-republicans-democrats-split-on-foreign-policy-priorities-poll/ https://thehill.com/policy/international/516856-republicans-...
  - djvdq 4y ago
    Yeah, better to be influenced by Chineese, then start to belive what you see, then start to think how they want you to think, and then vote for people they want you to vote. Perfect useful idiot, congratulations.