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These "hate hoaxes" are quite common. A few of the more prominent examples from recent years include Jussie Smollett, the Rolling Stone rape story, Yasmin Sewei

These "hate hoaxes" are quite common. A few of the more prominent examples from recent years include Jussie Smollett, the Rolling Stone rape story, Yasmin Seweid, and Covington Catholic. Come to think of it, it seems like most of the major stories about some racist or sexist incident turn out to be false. It's not surprising that people do this, given how much value modern society places on "victimhood" and being a member of some oppressed group. What's more worrying is the tendency of the media and society to accept these accusations uncritically and jump on the bandwagon to condemn the alleged wrongdoer.

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mimikatz 4y ago
The BYU Volleyball incident is the most recent.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  The BYU Volleyball incident happened. Conveniently for itself, BYU decided that the chants were not racist. Specifically, their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. But enough white Duke coaches and athletes also heard the racist remarks during the game that the university was able to identify the fan so that they could ask BYU to ban the fan. But apparently the anti-BYU chants this past weekend were super offensive. Hypocrites.
  - crackercrews 4y ago
    > their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. Wasn't the claim that someone yelled the n-word every time the girl served the ball? Didn't BYU interview 50 students and fans, and not find a single one who could corroborate? And they pored over all of the recorded footage of the televised game and found nothing? Seems unlikely that NPR would be carrying water for BYU if Duke had the goods. [1] 1: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-a-banned-fan-saying-it-found-no-proof-they-yelled-racial-slurs https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-...
    - gamblor956 4y ago
      No, that's what BYU claimed. The athlete, and her teammates, and her coaches, said that the fan was making racist comments the entire game. NPR merely reported BYU's findings. Apparently it's not politically correct to call out Mormons on their homophobia or racism, so the Duke team's experience was left out of the NPR coverage.
      - crackercrews 4y ago
        NPR does not credulously report on such matters. Duke's claims were thoroughly covered in the original NPR story. So obviously NPR does report on racist behavior at BYU, when it appears to be true. Have Duke's claims been put into a report anywhere? It sounds like you accept claims of racism over a report based on actual evidence and dozens of interviews. Even when that report is widely reported in media that has egg on its face for having jumped the gun. Can you point to Duke's evidence, or share what more could be shown by BYU/NPR/NBC to change your mind?
  - jbstjohn 4y ago
    The footage is out there, you can review it yourself, no racial epithets were yelled. The mens basketball team was there, with a good number of black people; not a single heard anything. The entire crowd would need to be complicit, along with the refs and the coach. It seems very clearly, at best, the person misheard, although more likely made up.
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    - gamblor956 4y ago
      Interesting that the Root and other publications by people of color hear slurs when watching the video but Caucasians do not. It suggests that BYU, and whites in generally, may not even be aware of their casual use of terms considered offensive to minorities.
      - crackercrews 4y ago
        Was this reported on The Root? I searched their site but didn't find what you describe. They did report on the BYU investigation and seemed to disagree. [1] But they don't mention having reviewed the footage. Nor do they provide any other evidence. 1: https://www.theroot.com/byu-finds-no-evidence-of-racist-heckling-toward-black-v-1849468136 https://www.theroot.com/byu-finds-no-evidence-of-racist-heck...
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    I know this thread is long-dead, but putting this out there as additional proof that the BYU incident happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athletes-accuse-brigham-young-university-crowd-of-racism/ar-AA12rPfU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athl...? TLDR: the recent volleyball incident was just one of many recent BYU racism incidents.
novantadue 4y ago
Don't forget this gem, which was roundly blamed on MAGA voters: JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli-American teenager was found guilty in Israel on Thursday of making about 2,000 hoax bomb threats against Jewish and other institutions in the United States and elsewhere during Donald Trump’s rise to the U.S. presidency in 2016 and 2017. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624338353/israel-court-convicts-man-for-string-of-bomb-threats-against-jewish-centers https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624338353/israel-court-convic... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-hacker-idUSKBN1JO1JH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-hacker-idUSKBN... Its just a series of outrageous political operations.
jhp123 4y ago
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  Taking your example I am most familiar with, I haven't heard any evidence whatsoever to indicate that George Floyd's murder was racially motivated. Killer cops gonna kill. Not every murder of a minority is racism.
  - chitowneats 4y ago
    Tony Timpa, a white man, was killed by police in the exact same manner as George Floyd. Knee on neck. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/29/police-force-officers-killed-him-when-he-asked-help/9024452002 https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/29/police-for... The reaction to Floyd's death says more about people's ideological and emotional priors than it does about the actual events that took place on that day in May 2020.
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      Knee on back, not knee on neck.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  All of the things you listed could not be hoaxes because there were bodies on the ground. The point is that a very large percent of stories with no evidence turn out to be hoaxes. The more outrageous the story, the more likely it's a hoax.
- throwaway8582 4y ago
  - jhp123 4y ago
    technically, a video of someone kneeling on a man's neck for 9 minutes, while the man says "I can't breathe", then loses consciousness, then dies, is "evidence" per se, even if you don't personally find it dispositive. So I think when you say "no evidence", you are exaggerating to fit a certain narrative.
Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
A thing to consider is that the hoaxers would likely over-report while real victims would tend to under-report.
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mimikatz 4y ago

The BYU Volleyball incident is the most recent.

gamblor956 4y ago
The BYU Volleyball incident happened. Conveniently for itself, BYU decided that the chants were not racist. Specifically, their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. But enough white Duke coaches and athletes also heard the racist remarks during the game that the university was able to identify the fan so that they could ask BYU to ban the fan. But apparently the anti-BYU chants this past weekend were super offensive. Hypocrites.
- crackercrews 4y ago
  > their entire justification for this finding that the fan in question did not say anything while the targeted athlete was serving the ball. Wasn't the claim that someone yelled the n-word every time the girl served the ball? Didn't BYU interview 50 students and fans, and not find a single one who could corroborate? And they pored over all of the recorded footage of the televised game and found nothing? Seems unlikely that NPR would be carrying water for BYU if Duke had the goods. [1] 1: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-a-banned-fan-saying-it-found-no-proof-they-yelled-racial-slurs https://www.npr.org/2022/09/14/1122977386/byu-apologizes-to-...
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    No, that's what BYU claimed. The athlete, and her teammates, and her coaches, said that the fan was making racist comments the entire game. NPR merely reported BYU's findings. Apparently it's not politically correct to call out Mormons on their homophobia or racism, so the Duke team's experience was left out of the NPR coverage.
    - crackercrews 4y ago
      NPR does not credulously report on such matters. Duke's claims were thoroughly covered in the original NPR story. So obviously NPR does report on racist behavior at BYU, when it appears to be true. Have Duke's claims been put into a report anywhere? It sounds like you accept claims of racism over a report based on actual evidence and dozens of interviews. Even when that report is widely reported in media that has egg on its face for having jumped the gun. Can you point to Duke's evidence, or share what more could be shown by BYU/NPR/NBC to change your mind?
- jbstjohn 4y ago
  The footage is out there, you can review it yourself, no racial epithets were yelled. The mens basketball team was there, with a good number of black people; not a single heard anything. The entire crowd would need to be complicit, along with the refs and the coach. It seems very clearly, at best, the person misheard, although more likely made up.
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  - gamblor956 4y ago
    Interesting that the Root and other publications by people of color hear slurs when watching the video but Caucasians do not. It suggests that BYU, and whites in generally, may not even be aware of their casual use of terms considered offensive to minorities.
    - crackercrews 4y ago
      Was this reported on The Root? I searched their site but didn't find what you describe. They did report on the BYU investigation and seemed to disagree. [1] But they don't mention having reviewed the footage. Nor do they provide any other evidence. 1: https://www.theroot.com/byu-finds-no-evidence-of-racist-heckling-toward-black-v-1849468136 https://www.theroot.com/byu-finds-no-evidence-of-racist-heck...
- gamblor956 4y ago
  I know this thread is long-dead, but putting this out there as additional proof that the BYU incident happened: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athletes-accuse-brigham-young-university-crowd-of-racism/ar-AA12rPfU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/stand-up-n-words-more-athl...? TLDR: the recent volleyball incident was just one of many recent BYU racism incidents.

novantadue 4y ago

Don't forget this gem, which was roundly blamed on MAGA voters: JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli-American teenager was found guilty in Israel on Thursday of making about 2,000 hoax bomb threats against Jewish and other institutions in the United States and elsewhere during Donald Trump’s rise to the U.S. presidency in 2016 and 2017. https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624338353/israel-court-convicts-man-for-string-of-bomb-threats-against-jewish-centers https://www.npr.org/2018/06/28/624338353/israel-court-convic... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-hacker-idUSKBN1JO1JH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-usa-hacker-idUSKBN... Its just a series of outrageous political operations.

jhp123 4y ago

puffoflogic 4y ago
Taking your example I am most familiar with, I haven't heard any evidence whatsoever to indicate that George Floyd's murder was racially motivated. Killer cops gonna kill. Not every murder of a minority is racism.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  Tony Timpa, a white man, was killed by police in the exact same manner as George Floyd. Knee on neck. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/29/police-force-officers-killed-him-when-he-asked-help/9024452002 https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/29/police-for... The reaction to Floyd's death says more about people's ideological and emotional priors than it does about the actual events that took place on that day in May 2020.
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Knee on back, not knee on neck.
crackercrews 4y ago
All of the things you listed could not be hoaxes because there were bodies on the ground. The point is that a very large percent of stories with no evidence turn out to be hoaxes. The more outrageous the story, the more likely it's a hoax.
throwaway8582 4y ago
- jhp123 4y ago
  technically, a video of someone kneeling on a man's neck for 9 minutes, while the man says "I can't breathe", then loses consciousness, then dies, is "evidence" per se, even if you don't personally find it dispositive. So I think when you say "no evidence", you are exaggerating to fit a certain narrative.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

A thing to consider is that the hoaxers would likely over-report while real victims would tend to under-report.

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