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"United States federal law does not protect people against obesity discrimination" If we are going to talk about laws for obesity discrimination. Isn't it bett

"United States federal law does not protect people against obesity discrimination" If we are going to talk about laws for obesity discrimination. Isn't it better to discuss height or attractiveness discrimination first? We know those things can't be change by lifestyle at all. Weight and obesity is a hard topic to discuss concretely because people are individuals. It's like sleep, some people can operate on 3 hours of sleep, while others need 9. However, by in large, it's calories in vs calories out.

ChadNauseam 4y ago
You say calories in calories out, but it’s not true. A rock has zero calories, but eat a rock that’s too big to pass through your digestive tract and you’ll gain one rock-worth of weight (followed by death). That’s why I prefer a much more simple and natural model: mass-in vs mass-out.
- dafneee 4y ago
  E=mc^2 Calorie-in vs calorie-out, or mass-in vs mass-out is really the same thing in the end.
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
    TIL I am a nuclear reactor.
- deleted 4y ago
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- DangMeatSlurper 4y ago
- pjc50 4y ago
  Kind of difficult to measure exhalation mass without special equipment. And that's how weight must be lost: you have to oxidise the carbon in it and breathe it out.
caturopath 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism
bombcar 4y ago
If we can find those who do not operate under calories in vs calories out we should either arrest them for breaking the laws of thermodynamics or enlist them as a power source somehow. As a culture we share blame in making it way to damn easy to eat billions of calories. Coca Cola has probably done more health damage that Big Tobacco. As he drinks his Diet Coke he posts this, c’est la vie.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  Did you read the article?
  - ioslipstream 4y ago
    Obesity is someone's fault. If it weren't, then we would always have had the same obesity rate. The fact that the obesity rate is rising, or has risen in the last 40 years is evidence that something somewhere happened and someone is at fault. We can likely blame lobbyists for the tragedy that we'll never figure it out because of special interest money in keeping the "someone/something" in the dark.
    - roenxi 4y ago
      Obesity has a cause, and people have a responsibility to manage their own health. But does it really make sense to say obesity is someone's 'fault'? Choices have consequences, but fault requires unambiguous harm.
      - orwin 4y ago
        I disagree, or rather i think you're too absolute. My cousin was obese at 8 (after a car accident this parents started to eat a lot, and as the youngest he followed). He had prediabetes at 12 and that killed his hormonal balance. He now cannot be anything else than obese, even with calorie restrictions.
        fnordpiglet 4y ago
spaetzleesser 4y ago
"However, by in large, it's calories in vs calories out." It's way more complex. The quality of the calories count and if you move/exercise a lot you can eat almost any amount without gaining weight. Obesity is a consequence of a sedentary lifestyle and super processed food that's designed to be addictive and not nutritious.
- davidguetta 4y ago
  Weight loss IS calories in out and that includes ecercice.. What you are talking about is hunger management, which is different, but yes also important on long term than just counting
lsaferite 4y ago
Did we read the same article? They expressly called out that the mice ate the same amount of calories, pooped the same amount of calories, and had the same levels of activity.
- brohee 4y ago
  Yes, and with 10-15% reduction in food intake the fat mouse lost weight. The fact that we do not all handle food intake in the same way doesn't mean it's not a lifestyle issue, not everyone has to eat the same. Some people are more efficient, good for them, now they can eat less. And I say that as a fatty myself (from overeating, no magic here).
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > Some people are more efficient, good for them, now they can eat less. Let's not try to frame that is if it were a good thing. In parts of the world that are overflowing with so much delicious food, almost everyone would like to be able to eat more of it without getting fat. The inefficient people are the fortunate ones.
    - nradov 4y ago
      Fortunate how? I would prefer to have a more efficient digestive system so that I didn't have to eat so much.
      - mmastrac 4y ago
        I'd love that if it came with a corresponding decrease in appetite, but alas.
    - feet 4y ago
      Just because we like something doesn't mean we should do it I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to use cocaine every day
      - deleted 4y ago
cratermoon 4y ago
"Here it is demonstrated, however, that weight stability coexists with a persistent energy imbalance" ^1 1 Serious analytical inconsistencies challenge the validity of the energy balance theory https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844020310483 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402...
dbspin 4y ago
>by in large, it's calories in vs calories out. It's absolutely not... I have zero sympathy for the 'fat pride', political fatness etc side of body positivity. But I can confirm both through personal experience and research that your perspective is uselessly reductive. Endocrine disruption, sleep schedule, glycemic index and pharmaceutical drugs can all enormously impact on weight gain and retention. Moreover the 'calories in, calories out hypothesis' (first outlined in this paper from the 1950's - https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/6/5/542/4729975 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/6/5/542/47299...), has been debunked (see this recent met-analysis - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516704/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516704/). Weight gain / loss in humans is a dynamic system, where the body will preconsciously adjust activity preferences and metabolic activity to maintain weight homeostasis. There are also enormous interindividual differencies in how the body responds to calorie load - related to genetic and gut microflora differences - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gut-bacteria-and-weight#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3 https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gut-bacteria-and-weight... (not a link to a study directly, but links to dozens of stories confirming impact of gut bacteria on weight and overall health). Additionally, we've seen cross species weight gain, including in species that exist outside of human society, indicating that there are environmental factors for cross cultural weight gain beyond worse diets and more sedentary life styles - https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/everything-getting-fatter https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/everything-getting....
- adamdusty 4y ago
  Your brain may subconsciously adjust your activity as a result of dieting, but that doesn't change the fact that it is physically impossible for your body to store energy you didn't consume.
  - tsol 4y ago
    Your body can speed up or slow down processes to conserve energy. For example, it's much easier to lose weight when you are heavier versus if you are skinny because your body is quicker to slow metabolism. And that is just one factor. Gut microbiome is another.

ChadNauseam 4y ago

You say calories in calories out, but it’s not true. A rock has zero calories, but eat a rock that’s too big to pass through your digestive tract and you’ll gain one rock-worth of weight (followed by death). That’s why I prefer a much more simple and natural model: mass-in vs mass-out.

dafneee 4y ago
E=mc^2 Calorie-in vs calorie-out, or mass-in vs mass-out is really the same thing in the end.
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  TIL I am a nuclear reactor.
deleted 4y ago
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DangMeatSlurper 4y ago
pjc50 4y ago
Kind of difficult to measure exhalation mass without special equipment. And that's how weight must be lost: you have to oxidise the carbon in it and breathe it out.

caturopath 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism

bombcar 4y ago

If we can find those who do not operate under calories in vs calories out we should either arrest them for breaking the laws of thermodynamics or enlist them as a power source somehow. As a culture we share blame in making it way to damn easy to eat billions of calories. Coca Cola has probably done more health damage that Big Tobacco. As he drinks his Diet Coke he posts this, c’est la vie.

fnordpiglet 4y ago
Did you read the article?
- ioslipstream 4y ago
  Obesity is someone's fault. If it weren't, then we would always have had the same obesity rate. The fact that the obesity rate is rising, or has risen in the last 40 years is evidence that something somewhere happened and someone is at fault. We can likely blame lobbyists for the tragedy that we'll never figure it out because of special interest money in keeping the "someone/something" in the dark.
  - roenxi 4y ago
    Obesity has a cause, and people have a responsibility to manage their own health. But does it really make sense to say obesity is someone's 'fault'? Choices have consequences, but fault requires unambiguous harm.
    - orwin 4y ago
      I disagree, or rather i think you're too absolute. My cousin was obese at 8 (after a car accident this parents started to eat a lot, and as the youngest he followed). He had prediabetes at 12 and that killed his hormonal balance. He now cannot be anything else than obese, even with calorie restrictions.
      - fnordpiglet 4y ago

spaetzleesser 4y ago

"However, by in large, it's calories in vs calories out." It's way more complex. The quality of the calories count and if you move/exercise a lot you can eat almost any amount without gaining weight. Obesity is a consequence of a sedentary lifestyle and super processed food that's designed to be addictive and not nutritious.

davidguetta 4y ago
Weight loss IS calories in out and that includes ecercice.. What you are talking about is hunger management, which is different, but yes also important on long term than just counting

lsaferite 4y ago

Did we read the same article? They expressly called out that the mice ate the same amount of calories, pooped the same amount of calories, and had the same levels of activity.

brohee 4y ago
Yes, and with 10-15% reduction in food intake the fat mouse lost weight. The fact that we do not all handle food intake in the same way doesn't mean it's not a lifestyle issue, not everyone has to eat the same. Some people are more efficient, good for them, now they can eat less. And I say that as a fatty myself (from overeating, no magic here).
- leereeves 4y ago
  > Some people are more efficient, good for them, now they can eat less. Let's not try to frame that is if it were a good thing. In parts of the world that are overflowing with so much delicious food, almost everyone would like to be able to eat more of it without getting fat. The inefficient people are the fortunate ones.
  - nradov 4y ago
    Fortunate how? I would prefer to have a more efficient digestive system so that I didn't have to eat so much.
    - mmastrac 4y ago
      I'd love that if it came with a corresponding decrease in appetite, but alas.
  - feet 4y ago
    Just because we like something doesn't mean we should do it I'm sure there are plenty of people who would like to use cocaine every day
    - deleted 4y ago

cratermoon 4y ago

"Here it is demonstrated, however, that weight stability coexists with a persistent energy imbalance" ^1 1 Serious analytical inconsistencies challenge the validity of the energy balance theory https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405844020310483 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402...

dbspin 4y ago

>by in large, it's calories in vs calories out. It's absolutely not... I have zero sympathy for the 'fat pride', political fatness etc side of body positivity. But I can confirm both through personal experience and research that your perspective is uselessly reductive. Endocrine disruption, sleep schedule, glycemic index and pharmaceutical drugs can all enormously impact on weight gain and retention. Moreover the 'calories in, calories out hypothesis' (first outlined in this paper from the 1950's - https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/6/5/542/4729975 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article-abstract/6/5/542/47299...), has been debunked (see this recent met-analysis - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516704/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516704/). Weight gain / loss in humans is a dynamic system, where the body will preconsciously adjust activity preferences and metabolic activity to maintain weight homeostasis. There are also enormous interindividual differencies in how the body responds to calorie load - related to genetic and gut microflora differences - https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gut-bacteria-and-weight#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3 https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gut-bacteria-and-weight... (not a link to a study directly, but links to dozens of stories confirming impact of gut bacteria on weight and overall health). Additionally, we've seen cross species weight gain, including in species that exist outside of human society, indicating that there are environmental factors for cross cultural weight gain beyond worse diets and more sedentary life styles - https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/everything-getting-fatter https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/everything-getting....

adamdusty 4y ago
Your brain may subconsciously adjust your activity as a result of dieting, but that doesn't change the fact that it is physically impossible for your body to store energy you didn't consume.
- tsol 4y ago
  Your body can speed up or slow down processes to conserve energy. For example, it's much easier to lose weight when you are heavier versus if you are skinny because your body is quicker to slow metabolism. And that is just one factor. Gut microbiome is another.