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I was referring the the stuff the people who want kf down were doying, ie selling homemade hormones to underaged children.

matheusmoreira 4y ago
> selling homemade hormones to underaged children What is this? Who is doing this and why?
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  It is trans people / trans activists. They want children who think they are trans (despite 60-80% of children growing out of it) to use hormones.
  - ttybird2 4y ago
    Is there a source for the "60-80%" figure?
    - _-david-_ 4y ago
      There are a couple different studies which is why I put the range. Here are a couple https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ Some older studies from the 80s and 90s that are even higher (well into the 90%), but they may not be the best representation of the modern trans situation.
- honkler 4y ago
  >what is this? Selling homemade hormones to underaged children >who is doing it? Mentally ill people >and why? Mental illness
- iaml 4y ago
  This happens because a lot of times trans people find themselves in the position where they realize they are trans but can’t do anything about it because they were born in a country that doesn’t offer the qualified help to them (at all or in timely fashion). Sometimes it has to do with their parents refusing to hear what’s on their mind. That’s when “trans diy” options come to light and they helped many a trans people previously. The thin line where this kind of behavior might turn into something less innocent might not be immediately obvious, especially when phrased in a way that is supposed to elicit emotional response.
  - fatherzine 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere "first, do no harm" "Non-maleficence, which is derived from the maxim, is one of the principal precepts of bioethics that all students in healthcare are taught in school and is a fundamental principle throughout the world. Another way to state it is that, "given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to DO NOTHING, THAN TO RISK CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD." It reminds healthcare personnel to consider the possible harm that any intervention might do. It is invoked when debating the use of an intervention that carries an obvious risk of harm but a less certain chance of benefit."
    - iaml 4y ago
      You seem to be of opinion that this is a simple situation with clear cut options one of which is always safe while the other can bring harm. That is not the case, as usual with problems that cause so much discussion on the internet. If the trans person is not able to get necessary treatment (which is well documented by medical professionals) it’s very likely they will experience depression and they may even suffer harm as a result. How can you evaluate that doing nothing in this situation may indeed bring less harm than another option? That is usually a decision that needs to be made by a medical professional, but what if that’s not possible? What if the doctors aren’t trained to deal with situations like this and would still bring harm by their choices?
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        So the trans activist solution is to sell sexual hormones to prepubescent children? Is this real? I'm having trouble believing this shit.
        iaml 4y ago
        You have trouble believing that trans people, whose problems are ignored by most population, choose to help people experiencing the same problem, that they know may lead to suicide if untreated, when nobody else does? How is it surprising? The only proper solution to this problem is to give all trans people equal and quick access to properly trained medical professionals who can treat them correct way, and that’s not happening.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> selling homemade hormones to underaged children What is this? Who is doing this and why?

_-david-_ 4y ago
It is trans people / trans activists. They want children who think they are trans (despite 60-80% of children growing out of it) to use hormones.
- ttybird2 4y ago
  Is there a source for the "60-80%" figure?
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    There are a couple different studies which is why I put the range. Here are a couple https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18981931/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23702447/ Some older studies from the 80s and 90s that are even higher (well into the 90%), but they may not be the best representation of the modern trans situation.
honkler 4y ago
>what is this? Selling homemade hormones to underaged children >who is doing it? Mentally ill people >and why? Mental illness
iaml 4y ago
This happens because a lot of times trans people find themselves in the position where they realize they are trans but can’t do anything about it because they were born in a country that doesn’t offer the qualified help to them (at all or in timely fashion). Sometimes it has to do with their parents refusing to hear what’s on their mind. That’s when “trans diy” options come to light and they helped many a trans people previously. The thin line where this kind of behavior might turn into something less innocent might not be immediately obvious, especially when phrased in a way that is supposed to elicit emotional response.
- fatherzine 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere "first, do no harm" "Non-maleficence, which is derived from the maxim, is one of the principal precepts of bioethics that all students in healthcare are taught in school and is a fundamental principle throughout the world. Another way to state it is that, "given an existing problem, it may be better not to do something, or even to DO NOTHING, THAN TO RISK CAUSING MORE HARM THAN GOOD." It reminds healthcare personnel to consider the possible harm that any intervention might do. It is invoked when debating the use of an intervention that carries an obvious risk of harm but a less certain chance of benefit."
  - iaml 4y ago
    You seem to be of opinion that this is a simple situation with clear cut options one of which is always safe while the other can bring harm. That is not the case, as usual with problems that cause so much discussion on the internet. If the trans person is not able to get necessary treatment (which is well documented by medical professionals) it’s very likely they will experience depression and they may even suffer harm as a result. How can you evaluate that doing nothing in this situation may indeed bring less harm than another option? That is usually a decision that needs to be made by a medical professional, but what if that’s not possible? What if the doctors aren’t trained to deal with situations like this and would still bring harm by their choices?
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      So the trans activist solution is to sell sexual hormones to prepubescent children? Is this real? I'm having trouble believing this shit.
      - iaml 4y ago
        You have trouble believing that trans people, whose problems are ignored by most population, choose to help people experiencing the same problem, that they know may lead to suicide if untreated, when nobody else does? How is it surprising? The only proper solution to this problem is to give all trans people equal and quick access to properly trained medical professionals who can treat them correct way, and that’s not happening.