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100% this. The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home, with probable intent to commit espionage again

by zenkat 4y ago

100% this. The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home, with probable intent to commit espionage against the United States, including disclosure of sensitive human intelligence assets ... And Hacker News has it's knickers in a knot because the FBI warned a social media company that the Hunter Biden story might be a Russian psyops campaign? Seriously people?

pdonis 4y ago
> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing President and his staff screwed up. And now they're in CYA mode. > with probable intent to commit espionage You have no evidence whatever to back up this claim. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/trump-mar-a-lago-affidavit-release-00053944 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/trump-mar-a-lago-af...
- mlazos 4y ago
  Nice way of deflecting blame there. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and he did it. He now got caught. It’s not like “hey nobody told me I couldn’t do this”, it’s why tf are you taking these documents sir. There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight.
  - beeboop 4y ago
    > Trump knew exactly what he was doing > There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight. Source?
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      The recently released affidavit is the source for this. He was told to return the docs, claimed he returned them all, and in fact when the search was conducted it was found that he didn’t. Trump was given 18 months to return them with multiple requests, attested through a lawyer in an affidavit that he did, and yet did not. Then when caught he has made claims that they were his documents and that’s why they were not returned. So far he hasn’t made any defense that is was an accident or an oversight. This shows the possession of the docs was willful, and intentionally not returning them was obstruction.
- albertopv 4y ago
  2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.
  - lodovic 4y ago
    Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.
    - beeboop 4y ago
      Also non-presidents: Hillary having an entire email server with classified information on it.
      - albertopv 4y ago
        AFAIK, those informations where classified later. Anyway, Hillary did wrong but was still doing her job, Trump wasn't.
        albertopv 4y ago
        I was wrong https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1567164268172173315?t=1QFRjHomJjsAP6nuXBpQEg&s=19 https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/156716426817217331...
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      NARA handles all docs as required by law, not former presidents. This talking point has been repeated over the last few weeks and has been debunked. > Presidential libraries are managed by NARA, and the documents therein belong to the agency, which also manages related public records requests. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-document...
    - albertopv 4y ago
- criley2 4y ago
  Yes he did hide the documents. Read the actual affidavit and the 20 month timeline https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-search-affidavit-release.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-sear... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documents-search-timeline.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documen... It was not accident: Trump claims it's his right to keep his records and even publicly displayed some of them for prestige after demands for their return began. Some "accident"! It was not CYA: The National Archives and DoJ spent 20 months exhausting all legal means to force the return of the documents to a safe facility. Trump's people according to the facts had around 16 months of escalating demands to actually do the return. Had they returned the documents during any of the many, many demands spanning multiple escalating agencies, it would have been a "no harm no foul" situation and no one would know. When they finally returned some of the documents, it became evident that there were many more missing and the matter was referred to the DoJ. The DoJ Investigated, escalated and demanded the return. And even then, surveillance footage shows documents being removed from the room to an unknown location. Despite there being two remaining groups of missing documents, Trump's lawyers signed a document saying there were no documents left (this is obstruction of justice multiple times -- hiding docs after the subpoena, lying about it, etc). This is when the situation went from "maybe accident" to "definitely a serious crime". The FBI absolutely knew there were more documents, the former President was openly lying about it in court, AND there was a potential second additional unsecured cache of documents that had seen being removed on surveillance. This is when we get to the search warrant, the final and last straw in a 20 month long quest to return some of the most highly classified secrets possible. And even now after the seizure they do not have all the documents. >You have no evidence whatever to back up this claim. Ironic statement from someone arguing directly against the facts while making up narratives like "it was an accident, it was CYA" which Trump himself openly denies. But that's normal for those who defend Trump to find that he has publicly undercut their narratives. Seriously, it's all in the doc above. But if we want to think beyond the actual legal filing, consider this article from the NYT ~9 months after the theft of top secret information that we know was classified in a way to protect the identities of American agents abroad. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informant...
psyc 4y ago
The story is that the FBI knowing lied to Facebook.
- desindol 4y ago
  No they didn’t are you all in some kind of reality distortion field? At least read the article.
  - psyc 4y ago
    Not all of us, no. Or rather, yes and no. I could as soon say to you, "At least go to Google News, search 'hunter laptop', scroll, read, and then think, if you can still manage it." 95% of you will just say "Well, this one isn't credible" or "That one is a right wing conspiracy theory." Or at least the ones emboldened to type replies will. So don't ask me to throw myself to you hyenas by linking specific sources. Google News isn't that many more clicks. I'll be busy holding my breath until the attorney general indicts his own direct reports and makes his own boss look worse. What the FBI said may not technically have been a bold face lie. We don't have a transcript. It's a prime example of not letting the one hand know what the other is doing.
    - desindol 4y ago
      Do YoUr OwN rEsEaRcH and speculations. Got it.
      - psyc 4y ago
        This might have actually stung a bit were it not for your pattern of posting in this way. You lot are on your 4th Eternal September since 2009, by my count.

by zenkat 4y ago

pdonis 4y ago

> The former President was caught red-handed hiding top secret documents at his freakin' vacation home No, he did not "hide" the documents. As a letter quoted in a recent article in Politico [1] shows, the documents were removed from the White House when the administrations changed on Jan. 20, 2021. Which means whoever was responsible for checking documents that were removed from the White House by the outgoing President and his staff screwed up. And now they're in CYA mode. > with probable intent to commit espionage You have no evidence whatever to back up this claim. [1] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/trump-mar-a-lago-affidavit-release-00053944 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/26/trump-mar-a-lago-af...

mlazos 4y ago
Nice way of deflecting blame there. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and he did it. He now got caught. It’s not like “hey nobody told me I couldn’t do this”, it’s why tf are you taking these documents sir. There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight.
- beeboop 4y ago
  > Trump knew exactly what he was doing > There’s no interpretation of reality which makes that an accident or oversight. Source?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    The recently released affidavit is the source for this. He was told to return the docs, claimed he returned them all, and in fact when the search was conducted it was found that he didn’t. Trump was given 18 months to return them with multiple requests, attested through a lawyer in an affidavit that he did, and yet did not. Then when caught he has made claims that they were his documents and that’s why they were not returned. So far he hasn’t made any defense that is was an accident or an oversight. This shows the possession of the docs was willful, and intentionally not returning them was obstruction.
albertopv 4y ago
2 billions to Jared Kushner evidence /sarcasm. Btw, I don't recall any other US president having classified and top secrets docs at home after leaving WH. It's now a NATO security issue, allies should be informed.
- lodovic 4y ago
  Every US president has done this. It's called "presidential archives" for the purpose of writing memoires.
  - beeboop 4y ago
    Also non-presidents: Hillary having an entire email server with classified information on it.
    - albertopv 4y ago
      AFAIK, those informations where classified later. Anyway, Hillary did wrong but was still doing her job, Trump wasn't.
      - albertopv 4y ago
        I was wrong https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1567164268172173315?t=1QFRjHomJjsAP6nuXBpQEg&s=19 https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/156716426817217331...
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    NARA handles all docs as required by law, not former presidents. This talking point has been repeated over the last few weeks and has been debunked. > Presidential libraries are managed by NARA, and the documents therein belong to the agency, which also manages related public records requests. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662 https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-document...
  - albertopv 4y ago
criley2 4y ago
Yes he did hide the documents. Read the actual affidavit and the 20 month timeline https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-search-affidavit-release.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/26/us/trump-sear... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documents-search-timeline.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-documen... It was not accident: Trump claims it's his right to keep his records and even publicly displayed some of them for prestige after demands for their return began. Some "accident"! It was not CYA: The National Archives and DoJ spent 20 months exhausting all legal means to force the return of the documents to a safe facility. Trump's people according to the facts had around 16 months of escalating demands to actually do the return. Had they returned the documents during any of the many, many demands spanning multiple escalating agencies, it would have been a "no harm no foul" situation and no one would know. When they finally returned some of the documents, it became evident that there were many more missing and the matter was referred to the DoJ. The DoJ Investigated, escalated and demanded the return. And even then, surveillance footage shows documents being removed from the room to an unknown location. Despite there being two remaining groups of missing documents, Trump's lawyers signed a document saying there were no documents left (this is obstruction of justice multiple times -- hiding docs after the subpoena, lying about it, etc). This is when the situation went from "maybe accident" to "definitely a serious crime". The FBI absolutely knew there were more documents, the former President was openly lying about it in court, AND there was a potential second additional unsecured cache of documents that had seen being removed on surveillance. This is when we get to the search warrant, the final and last straw in a 20 month long quest to return some of the most highly classified secrets possible. And even now after the seizure they do not have all the documents. >You have no evidence whatever to back up this claim. Ironic statement from someone arguing directly against the facts while making up narratives like "it was an accident, it was CYA" which Trump himself openly denies. But that's normal for those who defend Trump to find that he has publicly undercut their narratives. Seriously, it's all in the doc above. But if we want to think beyond the actual legal filing, consider this article from the NYT ~9 months after the theft of top secret information that we know was classified in a way to protect the identities of American agents abroad. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informant...

psyc 4y ago

The story is that the FBI knowing lied to Facebook.

desindol 4y ago
No they didn’t are you all in some kind of reality distortion field? At least read the article.
- psyc 4y ago
  Not all of us, no. Or rather, yes and no. I could as soon say to you, "At least go to Google News, search 'hunter laptop', scroll, read, and then think, if you can still manage it." 95% of you will just say "Well, this one isn't credible" or "That one is a right wing conspiracy theory." Or at least the ones emboldened to type replies will. So don't ask me to throw myself to you hyenas by linking specific sources. Google News isn't that many more clicks. I'll be busy holding my breath until the attorney general indicts his own direct reports and makes his own boss look worse. What the FBI said may not technically have been a bold face lie. We don't have a transcript. It's a prime example of not letting the one hand know what the other is doing.
  - desindol 4y ago
    Do YoUr OwN rEsEaRcH and speculations. Got it.
    - psyc 4y ago
      This might have actually stung a bit were it not for your pattern of posting in this way. You lot are on your 4th Eternal September since 2009, by my count.