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You need people who believe their government is legitimate and that the mechanism of voting is valid. You don’t see that anymore in America anymore for example

You need people who believe their government is legitimate and that the mechanism of voting is valid. You don’t see that anymore in America anymore for example, republicans across the nation believe that if there candidate loses, it must be voter fraud by either by one scheme or another. Shit, Trump himself still claims that he won the previous election.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago
2016 forgotten already.
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  Pretty sure everybody understood that trump won in 2016. There were questions about what happened during the campaign though .
  - martincmartin 4y ago
    In January 2017, several Democrats objected to the certification of Trump's win. See for example https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-more-states-2016-republicans-2020-1561407 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-mor...
    - trebbble 4y ago
      Seven house members. Vice President, entire Senate, and the rest of the House, told them to pound sand. About as comparable as a housefly is to an elephant.
loonster 4y ago
There was obvious voter fraud in the 2020 election. The only question that should be disputed is if it was enough to sway the election.
- suzzer99 4y ago
  No, there absolutely was not obvious voter fraud in 2020. That's the Big Lie.
  - egberts1 4y ago
    You were saying? https://www.reddit.com/r/electionfraud/comments/v85iy4/mind_map_of_various_frauds_of_democracy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/electionfraud/comments/v85iy4/mind_...
    - mikem170 4y ago
      I see your graphic posted by someone named jgreene777 on reddit and raise you a 72 page report prepared under the direction of eight prominent conservatives - people like retired federal judges, former senators, a solicitor general, an election lawyer, etc. [0] This report looked at the 64 court cases and 187 allegations of election fraud in all 6 battleground states and documented the evidence showing that each and every claim of voter fraud by Trump's team was false, consistant with all the court rulings. You can scroll to any case you are interested in and read the details. They found that there were many republicans who voted a straight party ticket except for their vote against Trump. This is consistent with the recent Wyoming primary results, where some 25-30% of republicans voted for the person in congress who is trying harder than anyone else to put Trump in jail. The 2020 presidential election was most definitely lost by Trump, not stolen. I acknowledge that there are biased sources claiming otherwise, much to the detriment of our democracy. [0] https://lostnotstolen.org/ https://lostnotstolen.org/
      - ben0x539 4y ago
        > [...] and raise you a 72 page report prepared under the direction of eight prominent conservatives - people like retired federal judges, former senators, a solicitor general, an election lawyer, etc. [0] Well, what's their reddit user names?
      - suzzer99 4y ago
        Thank you. This is a perfect example of the maxim that it is at least an order of magnitude harder to refute propaganda than it is to create it. Imagine how much time went into the reddit graphic, vs. this report. And on top of that it will hardly change any minds.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago

2016 forgotten already.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago
Pretty sure everybody understood that trump won in 2016. There were questions about what happened during the campaign though .
- martincmartin 4y ago
  In January 2017, several Democrats objected to the certification of Trump's win. See for example https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-more-states-2016-republicans-2020-1561407 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-democrats-object-mor...
  - trebbble 4y ago
    Seven house members. Vice President, entire Senate, and the rest of the House, told them to pound sand. About as comparable as a housefly is to an elephant.

loonster 4y ago

There was obvious voter fraud in the 2020 election. The only question that should be disputed is if it was enough to sway the election.

suzzer99 4y ago
No, there absolutely was not obvious voter fraud in 2020. That's the Big Lie.
- egberts1 4y ago
  You were saying? https://www.reddit.com/r/electionfraud/comments/v85iy4/mind_map_of_various_frauds_of_democracy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/electionfraud/comments/v85iy4/mind_...
  - mikem170 4y ago
    I see your graphic posted by someone named jgreene777 on reddit and raise you a 72 page report prepared under the direction of eight prominent conservatives - people like retired federal judges, former senators, a solicitor general, an election lawyer, etc. [0] This report looked at the 64 court cases and 187 allegations of election fraud in all 6 battleground states and documented the evidence showing that each and every claim of voter fraud by Trump's team was false, consistant with all the court rulings. You can scroll to any case you are interested in and read the details. They found that there were many republicans who voted a straight party ticket except for their vote against Trump. This is consistent with the recent Wyoming primary results, where some 25-30% of republicans voted for the person in congress who is trying harder than anyone else to put Trump in jail. The 2020 presidential election was most definitely lost by Trump, not stolen. I acknowledge that there are biased sources claiming otherwise, much to the detriment of our democracy. [0] https://lostnotstolen.org/ https://lostnotstolen.org/
    - ben0x539 4y ago
      > [...] and raise you a 72 page report prepared under the direction of eight prominent conservatives - people like retired federal judges, former senators, a solicitor general, an election lawyer, etc. [0] Well, what's their reddit user names?
    - suzzer99 4y ago
      Thank you. This is a perfect example of the maxim that it is at least an order of magnitude harder to refute propaganda than it is to create it. Imagine how much time went into the reddit graphic, vs. this report. And on top of that it will hardly change any minds.