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Poll: Distrust of Asian Americans is rising

25 points by albatruss 4y ago

albatruss 4y ago
Source with interactive data: https://www.staatus-index.org https://www.staatus-index.org
- bequanna 4y ago
  > Many Americans remain unaware of the spike in anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year. ...yet on the same page the responses to "How has your opinion of Asian Americans, in general changed over the past 12 months?" overwhelmingly skew to "stayed the same" or "positive". Maybe I'm missing something, but it certainly seems like they are trying to push a narrative that even their own data doesn't support.
  - anotheruser092 4y ago
    Where's the contradiction? If you assume that people answered honestly, it's very possible that remaining proportion of people who viewed Asian Americans negatively were more likely to express anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year, instead of keeping quiet about their views. Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Most importantly, anti-Asian hate crimes have "increased by 339 percent" from 2020 to 2021 [2]. Even if you doubt the data, comparatively, crime reports are more reliable and objective than self-reports when you ask a population about their views of people of a particular ethnicity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-c...
    - naniwaduni 4y ago
      > Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Not just that, people are also just biased to believe their previous opinions are consistent with their current opinions.
      - bequanna 4y ago
        Ah, of course! I always make sure my responses to anonymous surveys are as politically correct as possible. Ya know, just in case ;)
    - bequanna 4y ago
      > It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. This statement crosses the line into absurdity. The poll (that they designed!) didn’t give the “correct” results so time to do some hand waving and move the goalposts. I’ll never understand this obsession with imagined grievances and jumping through hoops to paint one’s self as a victim. What is the point? Attention? Pity?
      - anotheruser092 4y ago
        There is no absurdity, as "recall bias" is a recorded effect where people inaccurately remember past experiences to fit their current worldview (source: https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/ https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/). You also ignored the points on social-desirability bias and crime reports and just asserted there is no increase in racism, and racism is a result of "imagined grievances" and victim culture. You're asserting that the crime reports are wrong, and we can conclude that racial incidents did not increase because people in a survey said they weren't racist. Many Asian Americans aren't asking for your "attention" or "pity." If there is more awareness among the Asian American community of racist incidents (e.g. many Asians getting randomly punched or pushed onto the subway tracks), one can have more aware of their surroundings when going outside to avoid random violence.
  - Overtonwindow 4y ago
    Something about the poll itself feels incendiary. I think these kinds of polls and the spin the media puts on them seems as if it was designed to stir the pot.
    - bruceb 4y ago
      You don't get a $524m valuation without pushing clickbait and divisive content.
- vannevar 4y ago
  The concerning stats are on slides 32 and 33, showing that an increasing number of Americans believe Asian Americans are more loyal to their country of origin, and that Asian Americans contributed to COVID-19. Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Slide 19 provides some support for this, as conservatives were more than twice as likely as liberals to say that racism against Asian Americans has stayed the same or decreased. Aggregate polls hide the bimodal nature of American politics, which makes them largely useless in understanding what is actually happening in the population.
  - Mountain_Skies 4y ago
    >Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Be the change you want to see in the world.
    - vannevar 4y ago
      The change I want to see is broad recognition that Republican leaders are leveraging latent racism for political gain, so that moderate voters turn away from the party and it is forced to abandon that cynical strategy, which is actively dividing the country.
    - lanstin 4y ago
      I want a world where decisions are based in truth. And the truth is that the Republicans have given up on trying to stop their party members from being overtly racist and xenophobic. Personally, I think some weird process of self-radicalization involving the newest mass media and a denial of reason and fear of change in racial demographics, has kicked in with the Republicans and they won’t be able to stop it internally; there are no lines of common decency where the swirling madness won’t push all the thoughtful people past. I believe the rest of the civic body will have to stop them using our power. Yes, science is real. no, there’s no big differences between ethnic groups. Yes, being racist fucks up society for a long time, let’s stop. Yes, women are human also. Yes, immigrants refresh and renew the US commitment to hard work leading to achievement and the US ability to respect, enjoy and combine all human cultures. We, the majority, will vote, organize to vote, and push this world view every day for a hundred years rather than slip back into authoritarian or racist past which was anti-science, anti-truth, and anti-virtue.
vehemenz 4y ago
Insofar as minorities seek greater legal representation and rights, "Asian American" makes perfect sense as a political identity. If you're Burmese, why not throw in with Thai and Chinese Americans? However, I'm unsure if anything tangible can be discerned about Americans' attitudes toward "Asian Americans." There are simply too many cultures represented that share not enough in common. Even "Hispanics" (a vexing, incoherent classification) have more in common than Asian Americans. If you don't know what you're measuring, it's hard to understand the data and give it appropriate context.
- niemandhier 4y ago
  I recently learned that Americans group people from the Indian subcontinent under the category 'Asian'. I am therefore apparently an Asian, something that never occurred to me.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > I recently learned that Americans group people from the Indian subcontinent under the category 'Asian'. IIRC, in the UK, "Asian" is understood as South Asian by default, not as East Asian in the US.
mc32 4y ago
I wonder what the poll would look like if you interviewed Taiwanese-Americans and Taiwanese living in America about their views of Chinese mainlanders. Also, would be interesting to see a similar poll about Russians from Americans in general and Ukrainian-Americans. Members at large of aggressor groups will be stereotyped, that's how humans work everywhere. Go to South Africa and interview locals about people from "up north".
- cafard 4y ago
  > Members at large of aggressor groups The people who were born in the same town as I was, who speak undifferentiable standard US English, send their kids to local schools, etc.?
jacobkg 4y ago
Anecdata: My wife is a doctor AT A HOSPITAL and someone yelped at her a couple weeks ago as she was leaving the parking lot: “Chinese, they don’t f*ing win! You don’t f*ing win!” Made us both very upset
- iosono88 4y ago
- hairofadog 4y ago
  Sorry that happened. Cheers to you both.
- midislack 4y ago
  Everybody clapped.
oreally 4y ago
It's what happens when there's a world power feeling threatened by a rising upstart. Be skeptical, folks.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  What, is China the rising upstart? China was doing amazing tech and had an amazing society for thousands of years before America was even discovered.
  - oreally 4y ago
    Yup, if you weed out all the political FUD the signs are pointing that way. History has often shown bickering happening between the upstart vs the incumbents as well.
dominotw 4y ago
i am a naturalized american who used to have a different passport most of the life. I've pondered who I would support in a hypothetical war between the countries. I haven't been able to resolve this.
- 1659447091 4y ago
  I would hope it is to the country you chose to pledge an Oath of Allegiance to in order to obtain the new citizenship and all of the benefits it has granted
  - niemandhier 4y ago
    Circumstances matter. Would you hold someone responsible for not keeping an oath to the Reich? How about Trump?
    - 1659447091 4y ago
      That (circumstances) was not entered into the equation, so I took it to mean all things being equal. Otherwise how could one possibly ponder which side until those circumstances are known, there was no hint that circumstances where being considered
  - dominotw 4y ago
    hope i can uphold my Oath of Allegiance for sure.
- Calvin02 4y ago
  Hopefully you can support whatever country allows the freedom to be critical of its motives and question its leaders.
- throwaway_4ever 4y ago
  The one who's less guilty of humanitarian violations in that scenario? Don't support America, Russia, or China when they act to make peoples' lives worse. It's like having two really good friends (husband and wife) and the husband starts beating the wife. You're not going to support him just because he's the closer friend. With that said, it's important to remember that many people will do just this and immigrants in a country can wrongly support their origin country. cough supporting Russia right now cough
lodi 4y ago
I would bet good money that distrust from every ethnic group to every other ethnic group is rising due to identity politics making this a salient attribute in every discussion.

25 points by albatruss 4y ago

albatruss 4y ago

Source with interactive data: https://www.staatus-index.org https://www.staatus-index.org

bequanna 4y ago
> Many Americans remain unaware of the spike in anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year. ...yet on the same page the responses to "How has your opinion of Asian Americans, in general changed over the past 12 months?" overwhelmingly skew to "stayed the same" or "positive". Maybe I'm missing something, but it certainly seems like they are trying to push a narrative that even their own data doesn't support.
- anotheruser092 4y ago
  Where's the contradiction? If you assume that people answered honestly, it's very possible that remaining proportion of people who viewed Asian Americans negatively were more likely to express anti-Asian American racism and hate over the past year, instead of keeping quiet about their views. Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Most importantly, anti-Asian hate crimes have "increased by 339 percent" from 2020 to 2021 [2]. Even if you doubt the data, comparatively, crime reports are more reliable and objective than self-reports when you ask a population about their views of people of a particular ethnicity. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-desirability_bias [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-c...
  - naniwaduni 4y ago
    > Furthermore, a lot of people are biased to skew their responses or lie due to social-desirability bias [1]. The responses are self-reported. It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. Not just that, people are also just biased to believe their previous opinions are consistent with their current opinions.
    - bequanna 4y ago
      Ah, of course! I always make sure my responses to anonymous surveys are as politically correct as possible. Ya know, just in case ;)
  - bequanna 4y ago
    > It's highly plausible that many people said their opinion "stayed the same" while actually worsening. This statement crosses the line into absurdity. The poll (that they designed!) didn’t give the “correct” results so time to do some hand waving and move the goalposts. I’ll never understand this obsession with imagined grievances and jumping through hoops to paint one’s self as a victim. What is the point? Attention? Pity?
    - anotheruser092 4y ago
      There is no absurdity, as "recall bias" is a recorded effect where people inaccurately remember past experiences to fit their current worldview (source: https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/ https://catalogofbias.org/biases/recall-bias/). You also ignored the points on social-desirability bias and crime reports and just asserted there is no increase in racism, and racism is a result of "imagined grievances" and victim culture. You're asserting that the crime reports are wrong, and we can conclude that racial incidents did not increase because people in a survey said they weren't racist. Many Asian Americans aren't asking for your "attention" or "pity." If there is more awareness among the Asian American community of racist incidents (e.g. many Asians getting randomly punched or pushed onto the subway tracks), one can have more aware of their surroundings when going outside to avoid random violence.
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  Something about the poll itself feels incendiary. I think these kinds of polls and the spin the media puts on them seems as if it was designed to stir the pot.
  - bruceb 4y ago
    You don't get a $524m valuation without pushing clickbait and divisive content.
vannevar 4y ago
The concerning stats are on slides 32 and 33, showing that an increasing number of Americans believe Asian Americans are more loyal to their country of origin, and that Asian Americans contributed to COVID-19. Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Slide 19 provides some support for this, as conservatives were more than twice as likely as liberals to say that racism against Asian Americans has stayed the same or decreased. Aggregate polls hide the bimodal nature of American politics, which makes them largely useless in understanding what is actually happening in the population.
- Mountain_Skies 4y ago
  >Unlike some of the other stats, this one isn't broken down by party. But I would bet that almost all of this increase was among Republicans. Be the change you want to see in the world.
  - vannevar 4y ago
    The change I want to see is broad recognition that Republican leaders are leveraging latent racism for political gain, so that moderate voters turn away from the party and it is forced to abandon that cynical strategy, which is actively dividing the country.
  - lanstin 4y ago
    I want a world where decisions are based in truth. And the truth is that the Republicans have given up on trying to stop their party members from being overtly racist and xenophobic. Personally, I think some weird process of self-radicalization involving the newest mass media and a denial of reason and fear of change in racial demographics, has kicked in with the Republicans and they won’t be able to stop it internally; there are no lines of common decency where the swirling madness won’t push all the thoughtful people past. I believe the rest of the civic body will have to stop them using our power. Yes, science is real. no, there’s no big differences between ethnic groups. Yes, being racist fucks up society for a long time, let’s stop. Yes, women are human also. Yes, immigrants refresh and renew the US commitment to hard work leading to achievement and the US ability to respect, enjoy and combine all human cultures. We, the majority, will vote, organize to vote, and push this world view every day for a hundred years rather than slip back into authoritarian or racist past which was anti-science, anti-truth, and anti-virtue.

vehemenz 4y ago

Insofar as minorities seek greater legal representation and rights, "Asian American" makes perfect sense as a political identity. If you're Burmese, why not throw in with Thai and Chinese Americans? However, I'm unsure if anything tangible can be discerned about Americans' attitudes toward "Asian Americans." There are simply too many cultures represented that share not enough in common. Even "Hispanics" (a vexing, incoherent classification) have more in common than Asian Americans. If you don't know what you're measuring, it's hard to understand the data and give it appropriate context.

niemandhier 4y ago
I recently learned that Americans group people from the Indian subcontinent under the category 'Asian'. I am therefore apparently an Asian, something that never occurred to me.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I recently learned that Americans group people from the Indian subcontinent under the category 'Asian'. IIRC, in the UK, "Asian" is understood as South Asian by default, not as East Asian in the US.

mc32 4y ago

I wonder what the poll would look like if you interviewed Taiwanese-Americans and Taiwanese living in America about their views of Chinese mainlanders. Also, would be interesting to see a similar poll about Russians from Americans in general and Ukrainian-Americans. Members at large of aggressor groups will be stereotyped, that's how humans work everywhere. Go to South Africa and interview locals about people from "up north".

cafard 4y ago
> Members at large of aggressor groups The people who were born in the same town as I was, who speak undifferentiable standard US English, send their kids to local schools, etc.?

jacobkg 4y ago

Anecdata: My wife is a doctor AT A HOSPITAL and someone yelped at her a couple weeks ago as she was leaving the parking lot: “Chinese, they don’t f*ing win! You don’t f*ing win!” Made us both very upset

iosono88 4y ago
hairofadog 4y ago
Sorry that happened. Cheers to you both.
midislack 4y ago
Everybody clapped.

oreally 4y ago

It's what happens when there's a world power feeling threatened by a rising upstart. Be skeptical, folks.

ok_dad 4y ago
What, is China the rising upstart? China was doing amazing tech and had an amazing society for thousands of years before America was even discovered.
- oreally 4y ago
  Yup, if you weed out all the political FUD the signs are pointing that way. History has often shown bickering happening between the upstart vs the incumbents as well.

dominotw 4y ago

i am a naturalized american who used to have a different passport most of the life. I've pondered who I would support in a hypothetical war between the countries. I haven't been able to resolve this.

1659447091 4y ago
I would hope it is to the country you chose to pledge an Oath of Allegiance to in order to obtain the new citizenship and all of the benefits it has granted
- niemandhier 4y ago
  Circumstances matter. Would you hold someone responsible for not keeping an oath to the Reich? How about Trump?
  - 1659447091 4y ago
    That (circumstances) was not entered into the equation, so I took it to mean all things being equal. Otherwise how could one possibly ponder which side until those circumstances are known, there was no hint that circumstances where being considered
- dominotw 4y ago
  hope i can uphold my Oath of Allegiance for sure.
Calvin02 4y ago
Hopefully you can support whatever country allows the freedom to be critical of its motives and question its leaders.
throwaway_4ever 4y ago
The one who's less guilty of humanitarian violations in that scenario? Don't support America, Russia, or China when they act to make peoples' lives worse. It's like having two really good friends (husband and wife) and the husband starts beating the wife. You're not going to support him just because he's the closer friend. With that said, it's important to remember that many people will do just this and immigrants in a country can wrongly support their origin country. cough supporting Russia right now cough

lodi 4y ago

I would bet good money that distrust from every ethnic group to every other ethnic group is rising due to identity politics making this a salient attribute in every discussion.