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Reddit moderators need to be stopped
- paulpauper 4y agodefault/top subs are terrible places, imho. find niche ones instead. moderators have too much power overall and rely too much on auto-filtering algorithms otherwise. Spam is a problem I know, but part of moderating means actually going through submissions instead of just outsourcing it to a filtering system.
- samemail88 4y agowhat's a good niche sub about technology?
- paulpauper 4y ago'technology' is very broad
- bitxbitxbitcoin 4y agoI like /r/foss
- samemail88 4y agoI agree spam is a problem if it's actually spam. I would think the Reddit hivemind would push back articles down and good articles up. Articles like this is kinda broad; there's really no particular sub I can think of that would fit into.
- detaro 4y agoI'm not a fan of them myself, but reddit has quite strict guidelines regarding submitting your own content. https://old.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3F https://old.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3... https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion On that background, mods of a subreddit that agree with those rules banning you is not terribly surprising: If we ignore 2 posts from 4 years ago all you've done is post and comment on content from your own site.
- joshstrange 4y ago> I would think the Reddit hivemind would push back articles down and good articles up. Let me start by saying I don't think your article was spam or an issue but I do want to refute this point. I understand how that statement seems correct and that the "invisible hand of the hivemind' will solve all things. Unfortunately this is far from reality. Upvotes != Good content/On-topic content. A very extreme example would be something like porn. You might get quite a few upvotes for pornographic content that is semi-related (or not at all) to the subreddit in question, that doesn't mean it fits with what the subreddit moderators are trying to create/maintain. People want to think that subreddits are democracies or the sum of the people who submit/vote on content, they are not, in a lot of ways they simply can't be. You have to have moderation if you want a good community (Nowhere is this seen better than here on HN, thanks dang), moderation takes time, energy, and skill. Because of this it's really up to the moderators what they want the subreddit to be. Reddit is better thought of as a loose collective of fiefdoms where the moderator's word is law. You are at the whim of the moderators and different moderators/subs do a better or worse job at this. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a better system available to us (again, simple up/down votes and reports on their own cannot substitute for a moderator).
- TulliusCicero 4y agoI'm a mod on Reddit. Mods will be mediocre to bad, because they're volunteers. There just isn't enough time to do a good job on popular subs. And you can't fix this by getting more mods without introducing other problems.
- riffic 4y agothe worst subreddits are the ones that have like 10-15 mods who just do nothing. You don't fix a subreddit by adding more mods to the modlist.
- t_a_v_i_s 4y agor/technology only accepts links to major publications. Unfortunately, this is not clearly stated in their rules and leads to unknowing posters getting banned.
- samemail88 4y agoI didn't know that! Maybe they should put that in guidelines or not permaban people?
- EddieDante 4y agoDid OP get banned for spamming? Ah, no tears please; it's a waste of good suffering.
- hubraumhugo 4y agoYou won't get a response from them. A famous list revealed that almost all top subreddits are moderated by the same people: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/pbloje/almost_all_of_the_top_subreddits_are_moderated_by/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/pbloje/almost_...
- newbieuser 4y agothis is pretty funny.
- SilasX 4y agoI bet those very same people, without awareness of the irony, promote the outrage about concentration of wealth or income inequality.
- riffic 4y agoah, there's a way to wealth by being a subreddit janny? edit: I vouched the reply comment, don't know why it got flagged. https://imgur.com/a/0UOVV7q https://imgur.com/a/0UOVV7q
- SilasX 4y ago"I deserve this position, it's the natural order of things, how dare you suggest this privilege was achieve through any means but above-board." Edit: What the heck? I just explained the parallel, in response to a low-effort, uncurious comment that totally missed it, and I'm flagged? Sheesh. Edit2: Thank you.
- riffic 4y agoI tell all of the biggest whiners all of the time, I'd be more than happy to give mod permissions to (almost) anyone who asks and expresses interest. The only thing I'm gaining by volunteering to steer conversations on a subreddit is the loss of my free time. I wasn't able to reply to your comment when it was flagged. bad moderation strikes again!
- cddsadsa 4y ago
- tedunangst 4y agoIs it not trivial to create your own subreddit and mod it however you like?
- riffic 4y agothis is basically what I do, more or less.
- ConstantVigil 4y agoYes, but it defeats the purpose of the intent to share with as many relevant people as possible; since you have to build up that membership count in the first place. So it really sucks when the Reddit mods get out of control from time to time over what should just be simple situations able to be remedied with a simple 'sorry'.
- IronWolve 4y agoI find more linux tech news on HN than r/linux, real good news that isnt allow on their sub. I remember when when google came out against task killers, and r/android was all fanboi'ing over google's stance. When people posted task killers worked to make the device responsive again, you couldnt even have a conversation because google is always right. Real life vs Theory, reddit is mostly discussion on theory on what should/could be the best. But, not always, home lab stuff subs talk about real life situations and outcomes. In all, reddit is rather toxic for a discussion, I miss the days of newsgroups.
- Jiro 4y ago
- kslambert 4y agoI had a similar experience after posting a design focused article in a UI design sub Reddit: https://www.imkylelambert.com/articles/designing-for-mode-confusion https://www.imkylelambert.com/articles/designing-for-mode-co... It had comments and engagement, but the moderators took it down because it was considered `self promotion`
- fluidcruft 4y agoThat's probably the reason. The OP's recent submissions on reddit are all to the same domain and if someone had a "nuke self-promoters" script I wouldn't be surprised if that triggered it. There's some clues here about how to go about submitting your own off-site stuff: https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion I don't read r/technology but I checked it out and it looks like they're one of the subreddits that have rules in detail on old.reddit.com and tell people to go read there. The don't seem to have a rule against self-promotion, but there is a rule against linking to "social media" and I dunno if they would consider a personal blog to violate that rule. I did wonder whether there were trackers or anything but I think OPs site looks pretty clean from what I bother to check (Privacy Badger, uBlock).
- logic_beats_pro 4y agoWhen you have moderators censoring medical studies that go against the majority narrative in the midst of a pandemic, that's a problem. Dissent should be encouraged and valued, not muzzled.
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- riffic 4y agomoderators can do whatever they want, as long as they don't break site-wide content policy. https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192355-What-do-I-do-if-I-have-an-issue-with-a-moderator- https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205192355-What-... You on the other hand are posting a link in light of the self-promotion guideline https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion I'd avoid big subreddits like /r/technology if I were you and just post in niche subs.
- seydor 4y agoreddit doesnt care. there are some kind of words, like proper nouns (technology, politics) and country names which simply cannotbe substituted, not only because people go there , but reddit used to auto-subscribe users to their country's subreddit. Yet they have the same moderators for 15 years. And there's a lot of incest, with moderator teams recruiting one another. It's almost a shame that so many people are wasting their time trying to fight a system run by crazy people. I think reddit is really making itself obsolete these days and it's a good time to launch a new boards mega-site
- llbeansandrice 4y agoEdit: You broke reddit's self-promotion rules. I'd ban an account like this too. Oh. I was expecting more than someone getting banned from a default sub. Any large and generic sub is just going to be a garbage experience no matter what. > Are Reddit moderators just banning people at will? Yes. Moderators are the unabashed dictators of the subs they moderate. If you want a different approach, there's nothing stopping you (or anyone) from creating a different subreddit like /r/realtech or something. This approach has many many negatives as well as positives. > Is Reddit not interested in blog posts about technology anymore? I'm sure _somewhere_ on reddit is certainly interested, but any large/default sub is going to be a crapshoot at best.
- AaronM 4y agoMost subreddits have policies against self-promotion, that is likely why your post was taken down. The ban seems kinda harsh though.
- joshstrange 4y ago"Reddit moderators", your issue is with the /r/technology moderators. While there are some moderators who are over many subreddits, for the most part it's per-subreddit. These people don't work for or at "Reddit", they are just the people who originally created the subreddit or the people who were added later to help with moderation (by the people who originally created it). Looking at the /r/technology rules I don't see anything about submitting your own content (some subs have rules against this). All that said I agree a total ban is uncalled for but Reddit moderation is a thankless job that makes you sift through a ton of shit (depending on the size of the sub you moderate), I understand knee-jerk bans/deletions. Unless you've done moderation on a decently sized sub you don't understand how much work mods do to keep subs "healthy", sometimes this leads to false positives which is unfortunate but most subs accept that downside to keep out the spam.
- ksaj 4y agohttps://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion says quite otherwise.
- joshstrange 4y agoAhh, there it is. I thought there was something global about self promotion but I didn't find it in my quick look. Thanks!
- mountainriver 4y agoReddit just kinda sucks now, it has for awhile. It’s one of the most narrow minded places on the internet, full of rage bait and nasty people
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- burkaman 4y agoIt's because you submitted so many of your own articles. > It's not strictly forbidden to submit a link to a site that you own or otherwise benefit from in some way, but you should sort of consider yourself on thin ice. So please pay careful attention to the rest of these bullet points. > If your contribution to reddit consists mostly of submitting links to a site(s) that you own or otherwise benefit from in some way, and additionally if you do not participate in discussion, or reply to peoples questions, regardless of how many upvotes your submissions get, you are a spammer. If over 10% of your submissions and conversation are your own site/content/affiliate links, you're almost certainly a spammer. - https://old.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3F https://old.reddit.com/wiki/faq#wiki_what_constitutes_spam.3... I'm sorry they banned you instead of just telling you that and asking you to stop.
- belltaco 4y agoYou violated Reddit's self promotion rules by only posting your own content to that subreddit multiple times and are railing against the mods for doing their job? https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion And you're posting the complain on HN which also has a rule against it: >Please don't use HN primarily for promotion. It's ok to post your own stuff occasionally, but the primary use of the site should be for curiosity.
- fluidcruft 4y agoOh nice. > This page is no longer updated. > For more up to date information go here: https://www.reddithelp.com https://www.reddithelp.com This is all I can find there: https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043504051-What-constitutes-spam-Am-I-a-spammer- https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043504051-Wh... That would be about admin and not subreddit mods. The general problem with subreddit mods is they can do whatever they want and there's no possibility of accountability or ensuring the rules are applied fairly. Admin don't care what mods do unless it blows up on the news.
- riffic 4y agoas a mod of some niche medium engagement/high quality subs, I still link to the self-promo guidelines because while they're no longer updated, they give the clearest example towards how not to use Reddit. Mods have full discretion though, that's the gist of this entire thread. As someone with a 16 year old reddit account I've seen a lot of bad moderators though.
- fluidcruft 4y agoWell, yeah. Generally I've learned to just not care what happens on reddit. Moderators do whatever they want and jerk you around if you ask sincere questions. It's not worth pretending or expecting anything else. And it's not like mods are paid either, so you can't really fault anyone because nobody really knows the reality of everything going on in the subreddit. It's just how it works.
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- jaxn 4y agoI have been a mod on one of the top/default subredits, as well as other popular subreddits. There is a lot of crap to sort through in order to keep the overall value of the subreddit. Did you post the same article to multiple subreddits? Is a fair amount of your post history on reddit links to the same blog? Is your account new? Those would all be looked at when deciding to ban.
- Terry_Roll 4y agoSocial media are mechanisms to promote conformity like the type seen in Asch conformity experiments, I would not be surprised to learn the mods are security service sock puppets controlling the thoughts of the nation or the West anyway. MI5's David Shayler gave an insight into what he was required to do which was write articles for newspapers before he fell out with them, this was pre-internet days. Using the media to control the population is a valid tool. Asch Conformity Experiment explained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDDyT1lDhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyDDyT1lDhA David Shayler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shayler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Shayler The MI5 recruitment hook "Godot is not coming" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot#Sexual https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot#Sexual Kompromat is something the security services of many countries engage in, which gives you an insight into their blackmail techniques of business execs, politicians and anyone else who is outspoken. Its also why this stuff is not taught at school because the govt would lose control of outspoken people. You'll be surprised at the criminality in the state in general and democracy is that perfect tool to keep the idiots coming back to vote for moar!
- ufo 4y agoProbably because you linked to your own blog. That might be frowned upon on r/technology. It's unfortunate that you got a permaban right away though. A temp ban might have been more appropriate. Note that this is unrelated to the Reddit Content Policy. This policy refers to site-wide rules such as no hate speech or covid misinformation. Violations of content policy often are handled directly by Reddit admins (Reddit employees with red usernames) instead of subreddit moderators.
- hitpointdrew 4y agoJust quit Reddit already, that place is cancer.