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The Tory party of higher taxes, pride flags covering every government social media account and currently minting coins with the "progressive pride" flag? Sounds

The Tory party of higher taxes, pride flags covering every government social media account and currently minting coins with the "progressive pride" flag? Sounds like they're about to burn down the Reichstag.

Jochim 4y ago
They're also the Tory party of criminalising dissent, corruption, Russian influence, and offshoring refugees. The fact that homosexuality isn't as controversial as it once was doesn't preclude their authoritarian nature.
- refurb 4y ago
  Are they pulling that “it’s zee Russians!” in the UK too? Seems to be a very popular bogeyman all over the Western world.
  - MrMan 4y ago
    Brexit in UK and US exit from nato were both Russian propaganda projects.
  - sofixa 4y ago
    Considering the amount of dirty Russian money ( Londongrad), the fact that Russian spies tried to assasinate a former Russian spy, murdering British civilians by accident, and Russian support for Brexit... It's not a boogeyman, it's part of the reality.
    - refurb 4y ago
      None of those things actually infer Russian interference. At least not any more than say Chinese, or French.
      - sofixa 4y ago
        Dirty money in the tens/hundreds of billions doesn't infer interference? Including sizeable donations to the Conservative party? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/world/europe/russian-money-uk-tories.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/world/europe/russian-mone...
        refurb 4y ago
        Hardly proof of Russian control.
        sofixa 4y ago
        So we've moved the goalposts from "Russia boogeyman" to "you can't prove Russia controls everything", which nobody is claiming. Russia is involved and dangerous.
  - Jochim 4y ago
    Yeah, it's really weird that when you: - Take a bunch of Russian money - Hang out with a bunch of Russians - Ignore the recommendations of your national security apparatus to appoint Russians to permanent positions in your upper house - Employ a bunch of people who have ties to Russian interests. - Delay investigations into how your government didn't do anything to prevent Russian interference in a national referendum. People make the completely illogical conclusion that you're somehow sympathetic to Russian interests.
  - patrickk 4y ago
    Seeing as London has been corrupted by Russian money, numerous Russians have been murdered/attempted to be murdered by the Russian state in the UK, and the current PM is the former mayor of London, it’s more than valid to discuss Russian influence in the UK. Further reading: https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/mar/21/butler-to-the-world-by-oliver-bullough-review-bent-britain-at-your-service https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/mar/21/butler-to-the-...
    - refurb 4y ago
      I mean Canada has been corrupted by Chinese money (see Vancouver home prices recently?) and has a pro-CCP member of the government in British Colombia. Yet I keep hearing about Russians.
      - MagnumOpus 4y ago
        It can be both, you know.
        refurb 4y ago
        Sounds like both are more just political point scoring?
cjrp 4y ago
Lip service while they tried to backtrack on banning conversion therapy.

Jochim 4y ago

They're also the Tory party of criminalising dissent, corruption, Russian influence, and offshoring refugees. The fact that homosexuality isn't as controversial as it once was doesn't preclude their authoritarian nature.

refurb 4y ago
Are they pulling that “it’s zee Russians!” in the UK too? Seems to be a very popular bogeyman all over the Western world.
- MrMan 4y ago
  Brexit in UK and US exit from nato were both Russian propaganda projects.
- sofixa 4y ago
  Considering the amount of dirty Russian money ( Londongrad), the fact that Russian spies tried to assasinate a former Russian spy, murdering British civilians by accident, and Russian support for Brexit... It's not a boogeyman, it's part of the reality.
  - refurb 4y ago
    None of those things actually infer Russian interference. At least not any more than say Chinese, or French.
    - sofixa 4y ago
      Dirty money in the tens/hundreds of billions doesn't infer interference? Including sizeable donations to the Conservative party? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/world/europe/russian-money-uk-tories.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/world/europe/russian-mone...
      - refurb 4y ago
        Hardly proof of Russian control.
        sofixa 4y ago
        So we've moved the goalposts from "Russia boogeyman" to "you can't prove Russia controls everything", which nobody is claiming. Russia is involved and dangerous.
- Jochim 4y ago
  Yeah, it's really weird that when you: - Take a bunch of Russian money - Hang out with a bunch of Russians - Ignore the recommendations of your national security apparatus to appoint Russians to permanent positions in your upper house - Employ a bunch of people who have ties to Russian interests. - Delay investigations into how your government didn't do anything to prevent Russian interference in a national referendum. People make the completely illogical conclusion that you're somehow sympathetic to Russian interests.
- patrickk 4y ago
  Seeing as London has been corrupted by Russian money, numerous Russians have been murdered/attempted to be murdered by the Russian state in the UK, and the current PM is the former mayor of London, it’s more than valid to discuss Russian influence in the UK. Further reading: https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/mar/21/butler-to-the-world-by-oliver-bullough-review-bent-britain-at-your-service https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2022/mar/21/butler-to-the-...
  - refurb 4y ago
    I mean Canada has been corrupted by Chinese money (see Vancouver home prices recently?) and has a pro-CCP member of the government in British Colombia. Yet I keep hearing about Russians.
    - MagnumOpus 4y ago
      It can be both, you know.
      - refurb 4y ago
        Sounds like both are more just political point scoring?

cjrp 4y ago

Lip service while they tried to backtrack on banning conversion therapy.