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If you've ever thought your employer isn't monitoring the chat then you're a fool. I'd go as far to say that if you think there is any form of electronic commu
by humbleMouse 4y ago
If you've ever thought your employer isn't monitoring the chat then you're a fool. I'd go as far to say that if you think there is any form of electronic communication that isn't being monitored on some level you're also being foolish.
- tpmx 4y agoOne approach is to run/work for small companies with adult smart people who trust each other without surveillance.
- gtvwill 4y agoLol depends what industry your in. Im a one man band msp so I literally set up these catch all employee tracking systems. Most folks don't realise they exist, even fewer use the data produced by the systems. Legit 90% of the time it's just kept in case of gov audit or something going pear shaped and we need proof it wasn't us. Trust is all well and good, but trust ain't gonna pass an audit or get you out of trouble if shit hits the fan.
- tpmx 4y agoSmall software companies doing innovative things. Any business area that might need an external audit is a severe red flag in this context. That also typically means it's less fun, IMO. A software company running a Microsoft-based email/etc system is also a red flag in this context. I mean, why...
- Datenstrom 4y agoWhat email services would not be a red flag?
- tpmx 4y agoFastmail :).
- gtvwill 4y agoEh, it's in healthcare. Specifically disability support. I get a kick out of building software that makes providing support for these folks that need it. It makes their lives better, helps them achieve their goals. But it's also a largely tax payer funded industry in my country so hence the audits. Which is ok, as a tax payer myself I'd be pretty gutted if we as a country weren't auditing companies getting our hard earned tax dollar especially if they are in a sector like healthcare.
- tpmx 4y agoYeah, makes total sense and I wouldn't want to work there.
- mise_en_place 4y agoAll businesses require an audit of some kind. How do you think due diligence works?
- tpmx 4y agoThat's an extremely strong statement that is obviously not true, except in the most weak and generic form. How do you think reality works?
- mise_en_place 4y agoYeah if you want to defraud people, sure. No auditing required. Who's being dishonest here and making false statements? (Can you see the irony???)
- tpmx 4y agoThat's a false equivalency. You seem like you've never worked with honest people.
- mise_en_place 4y agoYou have to be careful is all I’m saying, on both sides (as an investor or entrepreneur). Also, many times audit also means documenting your systems, reducing bus factor and decreasing time spent for new employees during onboarding.
- Karellen 4y ago> I literally set up these catch all employee tracking systems. Does that bother you at all? Not just about the employees you’re doing this to, but about being part of the system that normalises this kind of surveillance generally? Is this really the kind of world you want to live in?
- mise_en_place 4y agoThe great thing about capitalism and the free market is that you can choose not to enter into an agreement with a party if they run contrary to your ethics and morals.
- JaimeThompson 4y agoThis assumes you know that said party is doing such things, often one doesn't.
- poleguards 4y agoThis is a fantasy version of capitalism that assumes perfectly symmetrical information. A huge percentage of the people being monitored have no clue it's going on.
- jamiek88 4y agoYeah avoiding the only isp in my town ain’t happening. How the free market will I get internet?
- _-david-_ 4y agoSome of the issues, depending on where you live, is that the government made agreements with ISPs to prevent competition in exchange for the ISPs paying for laying wires. If those agreements were not in place you might have additional choice.
- mise_en_place 4y agoStarlink
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- Closi 4y ago> If you've ever thought your employer isn't monitoring the chat then you're a fool. Mine doesn't. I know that because I am the 365 admin.
- justinclift 4y ago> ... I am the 365 admin. For now. Remember MS can literally run these tools on your communications and if/when something gets flagged... raise it out-of-band to a senior business person at your company for follow up. They likely have the contact details for senior business people at your company already. ;)
- jonathantf2 4y agoWhat makes you think Microsoft would care about this? They provide the tools to make managers happy but they certainly aren't going to start running the tools for you.
- speed_spread 4y agoThey'll do it if it makes them richer.
- 2snakes 4y agoThis is quite an imaginative take.
- faeriechangling 4y agoThere's a difference between monitoring and logging, and nobody is reading the chat logs or even paying attention to chat metrics in many workplaces because the value of doing so is dubious given the potential for employee backlash.
- tyingq 4y agoIt's probably more common that they log it, and trawl it when there's some reason to. Still dystopian, but less work.