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This is a false equivalence. There is censorship in both the West and China. There is also water in both a desert and a rainforest—but it would be ridiculous t

This is a false equivalence. There is censorship in both the West and China. There is also water in both a desert and a rainforest—but it would be ridiculous to say that rainforests and deserts are therefore equivalent in terms of water.

vetinari 4y ago
That's your POV, because you identify with one of the parties. Once you stop, you will see there is no desert or rainforest; it's the ideology inside your head telling you so. We are the good guys, after all.
- heinternets 4y ago
  Post about Tiananmen Square, Tibetan rights, or Taiwan political status anywhere in China and what happens? What is the equivalent in Western countries?
  - michaelt 4y ago
    Copyrighted material and female nipples.
    - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
      You've got to trolling, these things are nowhere on the same level and it's not even correct. You can talk all about copyrighted material you want and there are many many more female nipples to be found on the Western internet than on the Chinese internet.
  - duairc 4y ago
    Post about US funded biological weapons labs in Ukraine. I've seen half a dozen Twitter accounts banned and subreddits quarantined/banned over posting on that issue alone. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the claim myself, though Victoria Nuland's "denial"[1] certainly raised a few eyebrows. She said that Ukraine has biological "research facilities" and implied that it would be a very bad thing if any of these "research materials" fell into the hands of the Russian forces. Whether that counts as a "biological weapons lab" or not seems to just be arguing about semantics. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39veTO7kF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39veTO7kF4
    - ericmay 4y ago
      Or they were banned for spreading disinformation, or being traced back to Russian state sponsored agents. You didn’t see anyone get banned for anything specific unless you monitor everything they do including their source IP, because Twitter doesn’t send you a message and say “hey we banned this person because of their anti-American propaganda”. > I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the claim myself, though Victoria Nuland's "denial" Yea this tactic is called “simply asking the question” and it’s always done in poor faith. I’m not saying Donald Trump is a child molester and eats babies, but that photo of him with Jeffery Epstein sure does seem fishy... [1] [1] Random links that nobody clicks on but appears to give you credibility and creates doubt in the minds of others who scroll by and see it.
      - vetinari 4y ago
        > Or they were banned for spreading disinformation "Disinformation" is a propaganda term. Unless you are Ministry of Truth, of course ;) In practice, what is labeled "disinformation" is just what those in power do not want published. Or: "News Is What Somebody Does Not Want You To Print". From personal experience, I have strong sense of deja-vu. I've seen all of this in 80's in my country. Exactly the same, except at the time it was reactionary propaganda. > or being traced back to Russian state sponsored agents. You see, for Chinese posting about Tiananmen Square is being traced back to US programs intended to undermine the statehood of independent countries. For them, it is the same thing pushed by state sponsored agents as you claim about Russians. So either both are fine when censoring it, or neither is. (I personally take option two).
        ericmay 4y ago
        Except I can write all of the following statements and I could speak them publicly, but you cannot write or speak of all of these things publicly in China or Russia. The US sponsored terrorist biolabs in Ukraine to target Russian citizens. The US *didn't* sponsor terrorist biolabs in Ukraine to target Russian citizens and it's all fake misinformation. and I can write: China has never genocided Uighur Muslims. Tiananmen Square didn't happen. The CCP is currently participating in a genocide of Uighur Muslims. Tiananmen Square did happen and the CCP murdered lots of people. > For them, it is the same thing pushed by state sponsored agents as you claim about Russians. This is called a false equivalence. I also demonstrated why it's false here in this very post. Ta-da!
  - aiProgMach 4y ago
    Just because the western propaganda machine is more sophisticated and more powerful it doesn't mean it doesn't spread lies that twist or change the facts, actually the propaganda and brainwashing done by the west enemies is far weaker and more basic. Since the west rules the world (even from behind the curtain) it doesn't care to lie to our face or even tell us their intentions directly (think about Iraq war, ISIS, Syrian war, even Ukraine now), many 3rd world citizens can't or don't differentiate between UN and US for good reasons, because they know that in most situations UN and most international organizations acts as the facade that hides who actually taking the decision. Now things are changing, and the western bloc is getting weaker, at some point it will start to act like the standard "dictator" you imagine.
  - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
    >Western countries the US is the only Western country that doesn't have nebulous hate speech laws
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vetinari 4y ago

That's your POV, because you identify with one of the parties. Once you stop, you will see there is no desert or rainforest; it's the ideology inside your head telling you so. We are the good guys, after all.

heinternets 4y ago
Post about Tiananmen Square, Tibetan rights, or Taiwan political status anywhere in China and what happens? What is the equivalent in Western countries?
- michaelt 4y ago
  Copyrighted material and female nipples.
  - CorrectHorseBat 4y ago
    You've got to trolling, these things are nowhere on the same level and it's not even correct. You can talk all about copyrighted material you want and there are many many more female nipples to be found on the Western internet than on the Chinese internet.
- duairc 4y ago
  Post about US funded biological weapons labs in Ukraine. I've seen half a dozen Twitter accounts banned and subreddits quarantined/banned over posting on that issue alone. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the claim myself, though Victoria Nuland's "denial"[1] certainly raised a few eyebrows. She said that Ukraine has biological "research facilities" and implied that it would be a very bad thing if any of these "research materials" fell into the hands of the Russian forces. Whether that counts as a "biological weapons lab" or not seems to just be arguing about semantics. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39veTO7kF4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39veTO7kF4
  - ericmay 4y ago
    Or they were banned for spreading disinformation, or being traced back to Russian state sponsored agents. You didn’t see anyone get banned for anything specific unless you monitor everything they do including their source IP, because Twitter doesn’t send you a message and say “hey we banned this person because of their anti-American propaganda”. > I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the claim myself, though Victoria Nuland's "denial" Yea this tactic is called “simply asking the question” and it’s always done in poor faith. I’m not saying Donald Trump is a child molester and eats babies, but that photo of him with Jeffery Epstein sure does seem fishy... [1] [1] Random links that nobody clicks on but appears to give you credibility and creates doubt in the minds of others who scroll by and see it.
    - vetinari 4y ago
      > Or they were banned for spreading disinformation "Disinformation" is a propaganda term. Unless you are Ministry of Truth, of course ;) In practice, what is labeled "disinformation" is just what those in power do not want published. Or: "News Is What Somebody Does Not Want You To Print". From personal experience, I have strong sense of deja-vu. I've seen all of this in 80's in my country. Exactly the same, except at the time it was reactionary propaganda. > or being traced back to Russian state sponsored agents. You see, for Chinese posting about Tiananmen Square is being traced back to US programs intended to undermine the statehood of independent countries. For them, it is the same thing pushed by state sponsored agents as you claim about Russians. So either both are fine when censoring it, or neither is. (I personally take option two).
      - ericmay 4y ago
        Except I can write all of the following statements and I could speak them publicly, but you cannot write or speak of all of these things publicly in China or Russia. The US sponsored terrorist biolabs in Ukraine to target Russian citizens. The US *didn't* sponsor terrorist biolabs in Ukraine to target Russian citizens and it's all fake misinformation. and I can write: China has never genocided Uighur Muslims. Tiananmen Square didn't happen. The CCP is currently participating in a genocide of Uighur Muslims. Tiananmen Square did happen and the CCP murdered lots of people. > For them, it is the same thing pushed by state sponsored agents as you claim about Russians. This is called a false equivalence. I also demonstrated why it's false here in this very post. Ta-da!
- aiProgMach 4y ago
  Just because the western propaganda machine is more sophisticated and more powerful it doesn't mean it doesn't spread lies that twist or change the facts, actually the propaganda and brainwashing done by the west enemies is far weaker and more basic. Since the west rules the world (even from behind the curtain) it doesn't care to lie to our face or even tell us their intentions directly (think about Iraq war, ISIS, Syrian war, even Ukraine now), many 3rd world citizens can't or don't differentiate between UN and US for good reasons, because they know that in most situations UN and most international organizations acts as the facade that hides who actually taking the decision. Now things are changing, and the western bloc is getting weaker, at some point it will start to act like the standard "dictator" you imagine.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  >Western countries the US is the only Western country that doesn't have nebulous hate speech laws
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