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If you were armed too they probably would think twice.

by burner556 4y ago

andrewstuart2 4y ago
I really doubt the narrative that someone who would pull out a gun over trash would spare the time to think twice.
- menacingly 4y ago
  so we can speculate far enough to imagine this person into existence, but no further
- prepend 4y ago
  The pull a gun over trash scenario is kind of ridiculous because the gun puller would be arrested. And it just doesn’t happen. It would go like this: 1) I leave trash out 2) Neighbor yells and pulls out gun 3) I put up trash 4) I call police, neighbor is arrested and gun is taken away forever. I think there’s a perception of “crazy people owning guns” means they are just randomly doing things. Gun owners are typically pretty responsible or self-destructive. Half the US owns guns and there aren’t many crimes percentage wise. So the vast, vast majority just never do stuff with their gun. The actual argument is about the extreme outliers who murder people and commit mass shootings. There’s 20M firearm homicides [0] so that’s still super rare as a rate but the impact of each event is super impactful. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
  - throw0101a 4y ago
    > The pull a gun over trash scenario is kind of ridiculous because the gun puller would be arrested. And it just doesn’t happen. "Doesn't" is a strong word: * https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-cop-who-pulled-gun-man-picking-trash-outside-his-n1006851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-cop-who-pulled... * https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/cape-coral-resident-pulls-gun-on-waste-pro-workers https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/cape-coral-resident-... > I think there’s a perception of “crazy people owning guns” means they are just randomly doing things. Gun owners are typically pretty responsible or self-destructive. The problem is there is no filter in the US for the people that are not "pretty responsible or self-destructive." Just about any rando can get a gun in many states. > The actual argument is about the extreme outliers who murder people and commit mass shootings. No, it's about the 'background noise' of destruction that is on proverbial page 17 of the newspaper: > A member of our well regulated militia allows a juvenile access to a loaded gun. The juvenile brings the gun to the home of a 14 year old friend, who shoots himself in the head unintentionally. He doesn’t survive. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1518365942589411329 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15183659425894113... > A member of our well regulated militia moves a loaded gun from a bedroom to a bathroom, then leaves it there. Her 6 year old son finds the gun when he goes to take a shower and shoots himself in the head. He does not survive. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1522993105066250241 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15229931050662502... > A (drunk) member of our well regulated militia spots her neighbor grilling burgers, so she walks over and points a handgun at his face and says "bang bang." When police arrive at her home, she points a cane at them and pretends it's a long gun. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1515816691808227336 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15158166918082273... See also: * https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
  - soco 4y ago
    They would get arrested maybe - but only after I was already shot.
Simon_O_Rourke 4y ago
That sort of thinking directly brought about WW1 as well as the Cuban missile crisis. If everyone was armed then society's short-fused lunatics are the ones most likely to misjudge a situation and start shooting first over something trivial. Goes a long way to explaining most shootings by the police too.
- therealjumbo 4y ago
  CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.
  - jka 4y ago
    That may be true, although it doesn't really address the parent commentor's line of argument: in environments where few (if any) people are allowed to have guns, concealed carry isn't necessary, and gun crime is rare.
    - therealjumbo 4y ago
      His argument was that a lot of people being armed leads to regular standoffs. CCW being very common and leading to almost no standoffs over stupid arguments absolutely does address it. I'm ignoring comparing individuals to nation states, which is just silly.
  - Arubis 4y ago
    > CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. What’s “commit” here? Accusation, conviction, something else?
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    Reading a lot lately about "criminals" then brandishing during road rage incidents.
nadavwr 4y ago
What makes you think they'd think even once?

If you were armed too they probably would think twice.

andrewstuart2 4y ago

I really doubt the narrative that someone who would pull out a gun over trash would spare the time to think twice.

menacingly 4y ago
so we can speculate far enough to imagine this person into existence, but no further
prepend 4y ago
The pull a gun over trash scenario is kind of ridiculous because the gun puller would be arrested. And it just doesn’t happen. It would go like this: 1) I leave trash out 2) Neighbor yells and pulls out gun 3) I put up trash 4) I call police, neighbor is arrested and gun is taken away forever. I think there’s a perception of “crazy people owning guns” means they are just randomly doing things. Gun owners are typically pretty responsible or self-destructive. Half the US owns guns and there aren’t many crimes percentage wise. So the vast, vast majority just never do stuff with their gun. The actual argument is about the extreme outliers who murder people and commit mass shootings. There’s 20M firearm homicides [0] so that’s still super rare as a rate but the impact of each event is super impactful. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
- throw0101a 4y ago
  > The pull a gun over trash scenario is kind of ridiculous because the gun puller would be arrested. And it just doesn’t happen. "Doesn't" is a strong word: * https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-cop-who-pulled-gun-man-picking-trash-outside-his-n1006851 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-cop-who-pulled... * https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/cape-coral-resident-pulls-gun-on-waste-pro-workers https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/cape-coral-resident-... > I think there’s a perception of “crazy people owning guns” means they are just randomly doing things. Gun owners are typically pretty responsible or self-destructive. The problem is there is no filter in the US for the people that are not "pretty responsible or self-destructive." Just about any rando can get a gun in many states. > The actual argument is about the extreme outliers who murder people and commit mass shootings. No, it's about the 'background noise' of destruction that is on proverbial page 17 of the newspaper: > A member of our well regulated militia allows a juvenile access to a loaded gun. The juvenile brings the gun to the home of a 14 year old friend, who shoots himself in the head unintentionally. He doesn’t survive. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1518365942589411329 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15183659425894113... > A member of our well regulated militia moves a loaded gun from a bedroom to a bathroom, then leaves it there. Her 6 year old son finds the gun when he goes to take a shower and shoots himself in the head. He does not survive. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1522993105066250241 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15229931050662502... > A (drunk) member of our well regulated militia spots her neighbor grilling burgers, so she walks over and points a handgun at his face and says "bang bang." When police arrive at her home, she points a cane at them and pretends it's a long gun. * https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/1515816691808227336 https://twitter.com/Well_Regulated_/status/15158166918082273... See also: * https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
- soco 4y ago
  They would get arrested maybe - but only after I was already shot.

Simon_O_Rourke 4y ago

That sort of thinking directly brought about WW1 as well as the Cuban missile crisis. If everyone was armed then society's short-fused lunatics are the ones most likely to misjudge a situation and start shooting first over something trivial. Goes a long way to explaining most shootings by the police too.

therealjumbo 4y ago
CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.
- jka 4y ago
  That may be true, although it doesn't really address the parent commentor's line of argument: in environments where few (if any) people are allowed to have guns, concealed carry isn't necessary, and gun crime is rare.
  - therealjumbo 4y ago
    His argument was that a lot of people being armed leads to regular standoffs. CCW being very common and leading to almost no standoffs over stupid arguments absolutely does address it. I'm ignoring comparing individuals to nation states, which is just silly.
- Arubis 4y ago
  > CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. What’s “commit” here? Accusation, conviction, something else?
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  Reading a lot lately about "criminals" then brandishing during road rage incidents.

nadavwr 4y ago

What makes you think they'd think even once?