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> salty I don't think that means what you think it means.

by Tao332 4y ago

smegsicle 4y ago
trying to sassily point out that you shouldn't critique free software sounds salty to me imean i really like inkscape but it seems obvious to me that being able to organize a focused, coherent, and powerful interface is a rare and subtle skill, and most people with it would not also happen to find themselves successfully herding the cats required for effective implementation in an OSS project
- digisign 4y ago
  Complaining a program doesn't fit your use case (with a modern coat of paint to boot) is not really constructive criticism. Notably without specific solutions. In fact comes across as entitled. Sure it can be improved, but dumbed-down and flat is not in the top 100 things I'd ask for.
foxes 4y ago
A bit like the meta discussion, salty is current term in society unlike GIMP and Inkscape UI. I have a concrete questions: Why can’t a lot of FOSS projects try and distill what is good about modern UI or ideas instead of looking like a program from 10 years ago. What is the obstruction in the community getting people to work on this? Hostile power user attitudes? Simultaneously if free software advocates want it to be adopted why don’t they cater a bit to the good things about modern design? Saltily remarking “you get what you pay for”, is hostile. Fine I’ll use the modern web and tools, and they can lament on HN wondering where everyone went.
- digisign 4y ago
  The point was, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is paying one way or the other. Comparing a few volunteers to trillion dollar organizations or VC projects is a little silly, is it not? Not to mention "modern design" is often worse in a number of ways. Inkscape is an incredible achievement with the amount of resources it has had available. If you can do better, do so. I'm willing to bet a comparable program is 1000x more work than you anticipate. This poster gets it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31406310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31406310
  - aliswe 4y ago
    There is such a thing as a FOSS lunch, though :) And I think its allowed to discuss the fact that todays lunch seems salty.
    - digisign 4y ago
      If you've got constructive criticism, by all means. Offer only a misunderstood use case, don't expect to be indulged.
- doctormon 4y ago
  The problem is foxes, Inkscape does try and distil what is good about modern UI. The critique doesn't fit because it ignores the very real and material efforts in Inkscape's UX team to do exactly what you are saying. And the improvements in this release reflect a lot of that work.
- Tao332 4y ago
  Maybe we have different salt. In my regional vernacular, "salty" means something you did or didn't do is making you look like a fool. This is usually accompanied by someone eagerly pointing out "Don't you feel salty!" I've seen that use rising among cryptobros lately, specifically to deflect critics as secretly jealous that they missed out on something. I'll allow it as long as they don't co-opt jawn as well.

> salty I don't think that means what you think it means.

by Tao332 4y ago

> salty I don't think that means what you think it means.

trying to sassily point out that you shouldn't critique free software sounds salty to me imean i really like inkscape but it seems obvious to me that being able to organize a focused, coherent, and powerful interface is a rare and subtle skill, and most people with it would not also happen to find themselves successfully herding the cats required for effective implementation in an OSS project

digisign 4y ago
Complaining a program doesn't fit your use case (with a modern coat of paint to boot) is not really constructive criticism. Notably without specific solutions. In fact comes across as entitled. Sure it can be improved, but dumbed-down and flat is not in the top 100 things I'd ask for.

foxes 4y ago

A bit like the meta discussion, salty is current term in society unlike GIMP and Inkscape UI. I have a concrete questions: Why can’t a lot of FOSS projects try and distill what is good about modern UI or ideas instead of looking like a program from 10 years ago. What is the obstruction in the community getting people to work on this? Hostile power user attitudes? Simultaneously if free software advocates want it to be adopted why don’t they cater a bit to the good things about modern design? Saltily remarking “you get what you pay for”, is hostile. Fine I’ll use the modern web and tools, and they can lament on HN wondering where everyone went.

digisign 4y ago
The point was, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Someone is paying one way or the other. Comparing a few volunteers to trillion dollar organizations or VC projects is a little silly, is it not? Not to mention "modern design" is often worse in a number of ways. Inkscape is an incredible achievement with the amount of resources it has had available. If you can do better, do so. I'm willing to bet a comparable program is 1000x more work than you anticipate. This poster gets it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31406310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31406310
- aliswe 4y ago
  There is such a thing as a FOSS lunch, though :) And I think its allowed to discuss the fact that todays lunch seems salty.
  - digisign 4y ago
    If you've got constructive criticism, by all means. Offer only a misunderstood use case, don't expect to be indulged.
doctormon 4y ago
The problem is foxes, Inkscape does try and distil what is good about modern UI. The critique doesn't fit because it ignores the very real and material efforts in Inkscape's UX team to do exactly what you are saying. And the improvements in this release reflect a lot of that work.
Tao332 4y ago
Maybe we have different salt. In my regional vernacular, "salty" means something you did or didn't do is making you look like a fool. This is usually accompanied by someone eagerly pointing out "Don't you feel salty!" I've seen that use rising among cryptobros lately, specifically to deflect critics as secretly jealous that they missed out on something. I'll allow it as long as they don't co-opt jawn as well.