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As they should!

by Dreako 4y ago

As they should!

650REDHAIR 4y ago
Care to explain your reasoning?
- dylan604 4y ago
  In Amazon's view, they woefully performed in their functions. They failed in a very high profile task. Their (in)actions are going to cost the company lots of money. Leaving aside the exact task, these sound like typical reasons for dismissal.
humanistbot 4y ago
So you think corporations should break the law? Workers have the right to organize a union, firing workers in retaliation for organizing has long been illegal: https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-rights-during-union-organizing https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...
- noncoml 4y ago
  Not the OP and not supporting his opinion, but these where not workers they fired, they were senior managers, and I believe it's not illegal. I guess the OP means that they should be fired for failing to do their job, ie. "convince" the workers to not unionize.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    that's an old argument though, where does it stops? If someone put those managers in charge of "convincing" workers to not unionize, aren't they responsible as well? And who gave the order to put someone to "convince" them, haven't they failed too?
- Aperocky 4y ago
  I don't think senior managers of the warehouse are the ones organizing..
idiotsecant 4y ago
It boggles the mind how many people are opposed to collective bargaining, of all things. Give the least powerful in society a fraction of an ounce of power and it makes some people completely irrational.
- Sevii 4y ago
  A lot of people blame unions for killing the American dominance of car manufacturing worldwide. And the general de-industrialization of the US. It was a big hit to peoples conceptualization of the country.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    That's odd because Union membership has dropped off of a cliff. Worth noting that Unions can be good and bad - and entrenched union that takes control of the workforce, the kind of place where they don't pick up a hammer unless it's in their job spec, or where hiring/layoffs are 100% controlled by Union ... that can be a problem. But typically where Unions are formed there's probably a reason. Walmart, AWS, and probably all of Fast Food / Service and Retail in the US need to pay more. Sadly - it's not a ware between the 0.1% and the rest of us - though that is a war - the big war is between the upper middle class and everyone else. At just past the median point in the US people are doing 'great' but below that it drops off a cliff. Most wages just don't enable anyone to live the American dream: own a flat/house, a car, a few appliances, healthcare, stable job, raise your kids and be happy. America is turning itself in to a snapshot of the globe i.e. 'steep pyramid' instead of having a proper middle class. It's obviously more complicated than that - a kind of break down in social structure esp. in the bottom layers etc.. Rule of thumb: where unions are forming there is probably a reason. Where unions are entrenched there might be a way to move past that.
    - GeorgeTirebiter 4y ago
      Did you ever hear of "Union Busting"? Do you know that Ronald Reagan as President signed some of the most anti-union legislation ever? One must be careful not to use 'union' as a catch-all to describe all worker groups. At the moment, the Capitalists are extracting as much as possible from US Citizens through excessive price hikes (much over underlying inflation - this is well-documented). They will continue to do this until the median American sinks even lower in standard of living. Your 'rule of thumb' is exactly right-on -- the first part. But the 'entrenched' --- we have to be careful of using the Crony Capitalist talking points frames. The point of the Capitalist is to keep as big a pile for himself, all others (except shareholders) be damned. That's how it works. It is a rapacious, greedy, antiquated way to organize human labor, production, and lives. I am hopeful that younger generations can recognize the brainwashing they are receiving from the Corporate Media, and can break free from these chains, and, eventually, replace this system of institutionalized greed with something that more equitably permits sharing of our resources.

As they should!

by Dreako 4y ago

As they should!

650REDHAIR 4y ago

Care to explain your reasoning?

dylan604 4y ago
In Amazon's view, they woefully performed in their functions. They failed in a very high profile task. Their (in)actions are going to cost the company lots of money. Leaving aside the exact task, these sound like typical reasons for dismissal.

humanistbot 4y ago

So you think corporations should break the law? Workers have the right to organize a union, firing workers in retaliation for organizing has long been illegal: https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-rights-during-union-organizing https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...

noncoml 4y ago
Not the OP and not supporting his opinion, but these where not workers they fired, they were senior managers, and I believe it's not illegal. I guess the OP means that they should be fired for failing to do their job, ie. "convince" the workers to not unionize.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  that's an old argument though, where does it stops? If someone put those managers in charge of "convincing" workers to not unionize, aren't they responsible as well? And who gave the order to put someone to "convince" them, haven't they failed too?
Aperocky 4y ago
I don't think senior managers of the warehouse are the ones organizing..

idiotsecant 4y ago

It boggles the mind how many people are opposed to collective bargaining, of all things. Give the least powerful in society a fraction of an ounce of power and it makes some people completely irrational.

Sevii 4y ago
A lot of people blame unions for killing the American dominance of car manufacturing worldwide. And the general de-industrialization of the US. It was a big hit to peoples conceptualization of the country.
- jollybean 4y ago
  That's odd because Union membership has dropped off of a cliff. Worth noting that Unions can be good and bad - and entrenched union that takes control of the workforce, the kind of place where they don't pick up a hammer unless it's in their job spec, or where hiring/layoffs are 100% controlled by Union ... that can be a problem. But typically where Unions are formed there's probably a reason. Walmart, AWS, and probably all of Fast Food / Service and Retail in the US need to pay more. Sadly - it's not a ware between the 0.1% and the rest of us - though that is a war - the big war is between the upper middle class and everyone else. At just past the median point in the US people are doing 'great' but below that it drops off a cliff. Most wages just don't enable anyone to live the American dream: own a flat/house, a car, a few appliances, healthcare, stable job, raise your kids and be happy. America is turning itself in to a snapshot of the globe i.e. 'steep pyramid' instead of having a proper middle class. It's obviously more complicated than that - a kind of break down in social structure esp. in the bottom layers etc.. Rule of thumb: where unions are forming there is probably a reason. Where unions are entrenched there might be a way to move past that.
  - GeorgeTirebiter 4y ago
    Did you ever hear of "Union Busting"? Do you know that Ronald Reagan as President signed some of the most anti-union legislation ever? One must be careful not to use 'union' as a catch-all to describe all worker groups. At the moment, the Capitalists are extracting as much as possible from US Citizens through excessive price hikes (much over underlying inflation - this is well-documented). They will continue to do this until the median American sinks even lower in standard of living. Your 'rule of thumb' is exactly right-on -- the first part. But the 'entrenched' --- we have to be careful of using the Crony Capitalist talking points frames. The point of the Capitalist is to keep as big a pile for himself, all others (except shareholders) be damned. That's how it works. It is a rapacious, greedy, antiquated way to organize human labor, production, and lives. I am hopeful that younger generations can recognize the brainwashing they are receiving from the Corporate Media, and can break free from these chains, and, eventually, replace this system of institutionalized greed with something that more equitably permits sharing of our resources.