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And history repeatedly shows that even if you get a dictator of the first kind, it’s an unstable equilibrium of a system that eventually leads to a dictator of

And history repeatedly shows that even if you get a dictator of the first kind, it’s an unstable equilibrium of a system that eventually leads to a dictator of the second kind.

AnAfrican 4y ago
And that can happen with the same person !
javajosh 4y ago
Yes, but it's not always true - see cousin comment. There are examples of actually good dictators in history - but my back of the envelope estimate is that its like 1 in 20.
AussieWog93 4y ago
Which Lee Kuan Yew was well aware of, and set up a constitution that makes it easy to peacefully remove a government. The only reason the PAP is still in power is because Singaporeans don't want to get rid of them.
- sagaro 4y ago
  Gerrymandering is a popular tactics used by PAP in Singapore, to ensure they stay in power. In most democracies the Govt., Supreme Court and the Election Commission are independent of each other. Thereby elections are run fairly. But in Singapore, the election commission and supreme court is run by the govt. in power. This makes it easier for the party in power to sustain it's reign.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    I'm not saying they don't give themselves unfair advantages in the election, but that's a very different thing to, say, Mugabe's Zimbabwe or Putin's Russia where power was simply seized and held onto with no accountability to the people. If the PAP torpedoed the entire economy because of some stupid beliefs of the leader, they would be quickly and quietly removed.
  - noisy_boy 4y ago
    Gerrymandering would be somewhat curtailed (not nullified, I agree) if most of the people would have supported the opposition. They just don't. In the last General Elections, PAP's margin of victory did shrink from the past but it was still a pretty big margin[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Singaporean_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Singaporean_general_elect...

And history repeatedly shows that even if you get a dictator of the first kind, it’s an unstable equilibrium of a system that eventually leads to a dictator of the second kind.

AnAfrican 4y ago

And that can happen with the same person !

javajosh 4y ago

Yes, but it's not always true - see cousin comment. There are examples of actually good dictators in history - but my back of the envelope estimate is that its like 1 in 20.

AussieWog93 4y ago

Which Lee Kuan Yew was well aware of, and set up a constitution that makes it easy to peacefully remove a government. The only reason the PAP is still in power is because Singaporeans don't want to get rid of them.

sagaro 4y ago
Gerrymandering is a popular tactics used by PAP in Singapore, to ensure they stay in power. In most democracies the Govt., Supreme Court and the Election Commission are independent of each other. Thereby elections are run fairly. But in Singapore, the election commission and supreme court is run by the govt. in power. This makes it easier for the party in power to sustain it's reign.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  I'm not saying they don't give themselves unfair advantages in the election, but that's a very different thing to, say, Mugabe's Zimbabwe or Putin's Russia where power was simply seized and held onto with no accountability to the people. If the PAP torpedoed the entire economy because of some stupid beliefs of the leader, they would be quickly and quietly removed.
- noisy_boy 4y ago
  Gerrymandering would be somewhat curtailed (not nullified, I agree) if most of the people would have supported the opposition. They just don't. In the last General Elections, PAP's margin of victory did shrink from the past but it was still a pretty big margin[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Singaporean_general_election#Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Singaporean_general_elect...