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and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 day
by Cuuugi 4y ago
and will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied"
I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week.
- golergka 4y ago> I mean, they're just asking you to come to the building 3 days a week. Which is only possible for people who live in the same hemisphere as the building and have citizenship or visa. Remote work is international work.
- warning26 4y ago> Remote work is international work. Not at most companies; the legal implications of working from other countries mean that, unless you want to misrepresent yourself and create a fake "home" address, digital nomad lifestyles are explicitly forbidden.
- nottorp 4y agoThat's why i'm incorporated and no one needs to care about labor laws to pay me. If the company wants me as an employee because they can impose tougher restrictions on me that way, sorry, it's a seller's market for developers.
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- thebean11 4y agoWhat are you talking about? Is Apple asking people to go into offices in countries where they aren't employed..?
- golergka 4y agoApple is not employing people from other countries that the office in the first place.
- thebean11 4y agoSo what's your point?
- golergka 4y agoMy point is about how not being remote, quote, > will lead to a "younger, whiter, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" because it's not about coming to office 3 days a week, it's about not hiring international remote workers in the first place.
- thebean11 4y agoTons of remote companies are US only, or even "one timezone in the US" only. Apple going remote doesn't mean the existing teams US teams would become international.
- Cuuugi 4y agoI don't think you can "remotely" work for Apple without a work visa. If your paycheck comes from Apple US, and you don't have the right to work in America, that's a pretty clear violation of immigration law.
- TazeTSchnitzel 4y agoPlease think for a second about how a WFH policy might impact some groups more than others.
- PabloRobles 4y agoCould you, please, give your point of view on it? This is something I never thought about.
- TrueGeek 4y agohttps://hbr.org/2020/06/working-from-home-while-black https://hbr.org/2020/06/working-from-home-while-black https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/health/remote-work-disabilities-pandemic-wellness-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/10/health/remote-work-disabiliti...
- PabloRobles 4y agoThank you for the references, this is a very interesting perspective that I personally never considered before. But still, I wondering if this should mean that WFH needs to be enforced at any company. Not every company can implement full WFH without disrupting operations, especially when working with hardware or when needing concurrent comunication between co-workers. The article about black workers, mentions discrimination based (mainly) on their appareance. Sure this cannot happen if they work behind a screen. But the same would happen if we all were blind? Shall we wear opaque glasses to end discrimination based on racial features too? We can also flip the argument. I see this as telling black people (or other groups), stay at home, and in this people will not discriminate you. Is this really what we want? We should make the world better by improving it, not downgrading it.
- adamsmith143 4y agoIs it really hard to imagine that it's easier to get to the office as an able bodied 22 year old than as a 45 year old wheelchair user? Or a 31 year old single parent?
- droopyEyelids 4y agoIt seems like every complaint or request is being rewritten to appear based in social justice. I feel confident we'll begin to see HOAs justifying their grass-length rules because "longer lawns disproportionately affect historically oppressed, disabled, and neurodivergent persons" This is not a great trend, if you care about equality in society, because shit is getting so watered down it's about meaningless.
- twofornone 4y agoAdding Apple to the list of companies I'd never work for. White men are just supposed to shut up and take the increasingly open discrimination? This isn't equality. And it won't actually lead to equity either, but we all will end up with less if this continues - except for the more equal animals among us. Edit: just imagine if the text said "younger, blacker, more female-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied" Or "younger, more Jewish, more male-dominated, more neuro-normative, more able-bodied"
- jayd16 4y agoHave these numbers improved significantly since covid? Have we seen increased diversity that this would roll back?
- 0daystock 4y agoYet they fail to explain why that's a "bad" thing.