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Wow, I had actually never considered "figuring something else". Thanks for this amazing insight. It's almost as useful as telling someone with depression to "ju

Wow, I had actually never considered "figuring something else". Thanks for this amazing insight. It's almost as useful as telling someone with depression to "just be happy". Rent in my town is one of the cheapest among bigger cities and I already live very frugally (public transit, only shop for groceries on sale and healthy food, don't go out to parties, don't drink, no addictions, no online subscriptions, only free hobbies + gym). GenXers and Boomers left a shitty world for Gen Z and, for some, life is just not the fairy tale you are used to - sorry mate.

teakettle42 4y ago
> cheapest among bigger cities You’re not forced to live in a bigger city. You weren’t forced to uselessly over-educate yourself. You aren’t forced to stay where you are, in a dead-end, complaining about how it’s everyone’s fault but your own.
- swat535 4y ago
  I can't tell if you are being sarcastic of you genuinely believe this.. Either way, telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstrap when a house costs over a million dollars and wages have stagnated for decades is very uncharitable. I live in Canada, at this rate owning a house is a dream long gone for many people include me.
  - teakettle42 4y ago
    - Copernicron 4y ago
      Spoken like someone who doesn't have the first clue what things are like elsewhere. Housing in Canada is horrendously expensive and prices are going up far faster than anyone could possibly save money. The median house price is now something like ten times the median household income. On top of that, rents have gone up just as quickly and people are left with no additional income once their basic expenses are paid for.
  - bufferoverflow 4y ago
    You realize there are areas with houses well under a million dollars? I live in a very nice area, and even here there are $450K houses. And if you go further away, there are much much cheaper houses. Go on Zillow and do some basic research.
    - Copernicron 4y ago
      You realize those areas are nowhere close to the jobs? If you're looking for a job in Toronto, the closest place with an actual house under $450k is likely Windsor, which is around five hours away. Across southern Ontario right now the average price of a house is roughly a million dollars. Five hours is much too far to commute for work on a regular basis and a lot of jobs still require you to be there in person. Some things simply can't be done remotely.
  - Copernicron 4y ago
    I know things are tough right now but it will get better. Prices won't stay this high forever. They always come down eventually. Be patient and save your money. You'll find something when the time is right. I gave up on a house years ago and set my sights on a condo. Those are relatively affordable in comparison.
- ThePrankster 4y ago
  You are right. I chose to stay in a middle size city because there are jobs and rent is not too high. My education is none of your concern, especially because I actually got paid both for my Bachelors and Masters, due to academic performance scholarships. It cost me nothing and still paid better than most jobs. I’m not in a deadend, I do very well, I just have zero prospects of retiring or owning a house. I’m not complaining though, I got it better than many people. I’m grateful for that, and especially even more grateful for not having to be someone so bitter like you. Have fun dying soon of old age in your rich life, with no friends or family bc none can stand your boomer personality :)
heavyset_go 4y ago
They expect you to go move somewhere cheaper where your career prospects are stocking shelves at Walmart or serving food. Maybe if you're lucky, you could get a job for $36k from the one company in a 200 mile radius that's still hiring in your industry, but is on life support and won't be around in a decade. Also, please ignore the fact that its competitors have all gone out of business or left for better prospects in higher CoL areas, as well. It's not so much a solution as it is a sneering dismissal of real problems that they don't want to hear about anymore.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  Do you believe people deserve an easy office job, high pay, and the ability to buy a home in the cultural epicenter of their choosing? How, exactly, are we going to supply all of that to the firehose of people graduating with mostly-useless degrees and job skills?
  - omnimus 4y ago
    Yes of course people deserve that. There is incredible wealth everywhere. Society increased productivity and efficiency so much that workweek should be 3 days. All the fruits are going to small number of people in the top. You say mostly useless degrees… what about all the mostly useless things - the lamborghinis? the never ending houses? the gimmicks, gadgets, iphones every 6 months… Why do we supply that and dont supply basic living conditions to everyone?
    - imtringued 4y ago
      How are you going to provide everyone ever bigger and bigger single family homes in ever smaller and smaller parcels of land? You must push some people out. That's the nature of big things. They expand and repel. Why? Because the medium of exchange function stops the moment economic growth stops growing at the rate of productivity. This is because the richest individuals are hoarding employment opportunities and get to save money against the will of the rest of the population. If one guy is doing the work of two, then one person has nothing to do. We grow the economy two fold, so there is enough to do for everyone, even though there are enough products and services for everyone. It's that stupid.

teakettle42 4y ago

> cheapest among bigger cities You’re not forced to live in a bigger city. You weren’t forced to uselessly over-educate yourself. You aren’t forced to stay where you are, in a dead-end, complaining about how it’s everyone’s fault but your own.

swat535 4y ago
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic of you genuinely believe this.. Either way, telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstrap when a house costs over a million dollars and wages have stagnated for decades is very uncharitable. I live in Canada, at this rate owning a house is a dream long gone for many people include me.
- teakettle42 4y ago
  - Copernicron 4y ago
    Spoken like someone who doesn't have the first clue what things are like elsewhere. Housing in Canada is horrendously expensive and prices are going up far faster than anyone could possibly save money. The median house price is now something like ten times the median household income. On top of that, rents have gone up just as quickly and people are left with no additional income once their basic expenses are paid for.
- bufferoverflow 4y ago
  You realize there are areas with houses well under a million dollars? I live in a very nice area, and even here there are $450K houses. And if you go further away, there are much much cheaper houses. Go on Zillow and do some basic research.
  - Copernicron 4y ago
    You realize those areas are nowhere close to the jobs? If you're looking for a job in Toronto, the closest place with an actual house under $450k is likely Windsor, which is around five hours away. Across southern Ontario right now the average price of a house is roughly a million dollars. Five hours is much too far to commute for work on a regular basis and a lot of jobs still require you to be there in person. Some things simply can't be done remotely.
- Copernicron 4y ago
  I know things are tough right now but it will get better. Prices won't stay this high forever. They always come down eventually. Be patient and save your money. You'll find something when the time is right. I gave up on a house years ago and set my sights on a condo. Those are relatively affordable in comparison.
ThePrankster 4y ago
You are right. I chose to stay in a middle size city because there are jobs and rent is not too high. My education is none of your concern, especially because I actually got paid both for my Bachelors and Masters, due to academic performance scholarships. It cost me nothing and still paid better than most jobs. I’m not in a deadend, I do very well, I just have zero prospects of retiring or owning a house. I’m not complaining though, I got it better than many people. I’m grateful for that, and especially even more grateful for not having to be someone so bitter like you. Have fun dying soon of old age in your rich life, with no friends or family bc none can stand your boomer personality :)

heavyset_go 4y ago

They expect you to go move somewhere cheaper where your career prospects are stocking shelves at Walmart or serving food. Maybe if you're lucky, you could get a job for $36k from the one company in a 200 mile radius that's still hiring in your industry, but is on life support and won't be around in a decade. Also, please ignore the fact that its competitors have all gone out of business or left for better prospects in higher CoL areas, as well. It's not so much a solution as it is a sneering dismissal of real problems that they don't want to hear about anymore.

teakettle42 4y ago
Do you believe people deserve an easy office job, high pay, and the ability to buy a home in the cultural epicenter of their choosing? How, exactly, are we going to supply all of that to the firehose of people graduating with mostly-useless degrees and job skills?
- omnimus 4y ago
  Yes of course people deserve that. There is incredible wealth everywhere. Society increased productivity and efficiency so much that workweek should be 3 days. All the fruits are going to small number of people in the top. You say mostly useless degrees… what about all the mostly useless things - the lamborghinis? the never ending houses? the gimmicks, gadgets, iphones every 6 months… Why do we supply that and dont supply basic living conditions to everyone?
  - imtringued 4y ago
    How are you going to provide everyone ever bigger and bigger single family homes in ever smaller and smaller parcels of land? You must push some people out. That's the nature of big things. They expand and repel. Why? Because the medium of exchange function stops the moment economic growth stops growing at the rate of productivity. This is because the richest individuals are hoarding employment opportunities and get to save money against the will of the rest of the population. If one guy is doing the work of two, then one person has nothing to do. We grow the economy two fold, so there is enough to do for everyone, even though there are enough products and services for everyone. It's that stupid.